Van Brake Wiring

Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 04:40
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I recently turned the axle over and noticed the wiring from the plug came to mid-ships of the van into a bunch of connectors. From there to each brake - more connectors. I went and had a look at some new vans but it was hard to determine the set-up except for wiring at the brakes waiting to be torn off by the first stick.

Is this normal for vans? or is it just mine? To add more confusion, a web site showed a diagram with power and earth going straight to one brake then over to the other?

Which is the correct set-up?
To centre then to both brakes?
To the right brake the over to the left?

Cheers

Seakarvan
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 07:39

Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 07:39
Not sure if there is a correct setup.
Have seen both. Split at the middle and a side feed.

Problem I suppose is minimising voltage drop. Going to one centre point and splitting gives even voltage, and saves electrical wire.

My CT has it to one side, then across the axle to the other side.

As far as I can see if the wire is heavy enough to the first brake before it feeds the other brake, should be OK, and it cuts out connectors, which can fail with all the water around from rain and creek crossings.

Other thing I have done is use fence wire to fasten the electrical wires (in split conduit) to the axle. Plastic zip ties get broken by stones too easily.
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Reply By: Seakarvan - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 08:18

Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 08:18
Thanks John,
Makes sense to "minimise resistance and equalise current distribution"
Whatever that means!

Mate, I'll try the centre and equal lengths to both brakes from there 1st. and give that a burl.

I'm 60 and still remember the old man always packing a few coils of fencing wire for the old slope back Hillman and a home made trailer on all our trips.

Hubs, backing plate, brakes and bearings are all new because the originals (2nd hand van) were shot. The wiring (at connection points at least) were likewise.

Thanks for your help

Seakarvan
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Reply By: Ray - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 09:19

Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 09:19
I have recently re-wired the brakes on my tandem axle caravan. I used 8 aswg for the main cables with 10 aswg to the brakes. These cables were all pre-soldered before installation. The main
(8 aswg) are run at the centre of the c'van through conduit saddled to the floor of the c'van with the four branches, also in conduit and saddled to the floor running of at right angles to the brakes. Flexible split conduit is used from the fixed conduit to the brakes. The cables from the magnets are connected to the power cables by insulated spade connectors which enables the magnets to be changed without too many hassles.
The conduit that I used was ordinary electrians white conduit with one four way and one three way terminal box.
I have also seen cables for brakes run in black 12mm sprinkler hose.

P.S. I noticed that you turned the axle over???? Did you put the brake drums back in their original position?????
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Follow Up By: Seakarvan - Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 06:14

Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 06:14
Thanks Ray,
All makes sense mate and all done today. Took the van to an isolated road and tuned the Prodigy controller. Impressive.
I turned the axle (single) over to gain ground clearance. The drop down bodywork around the door was hopelessly low and yes the brakes are positioned correctly. Thanks again for helping us out.

King Regards
seakarvan
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Reply By: Dunaruna - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 17:22

Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 17:22
The correct way to wire electric brakes is to have a central trunk from the plug and equal length branches going to each wheel, that way each magnet is getting exactly the same amps. Soldering each connection (with shrink tube to seal the joint) will also minimise resistance.

The ONLY reason you would see it done any other way is due to cost cutting by the van manufacturer.
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Follow Up By: Seakarvan - Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 06:40

Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 06:40
Thanks Dunaruna,
Jobs done as per Ray's detailed description. In addition I used a liquid paint-on sealer which dries and positively seals out moisture. I've used this on all boat wiring for years and it works.
In relation to 'cost cutting manufacturers' and I hope I don't upset anyone here, but after 30 years away from caravans my opinion is they are prettier now but still held together by "Rivets and Staples"
I spoke to a poor bugger who bought an "Offroader" van and was lead to believe it could.
It shook itself to pieces up on the Cape a few years back. Anyone who has been there may have seen the tens of trailers and campers abandoned at the Bamaga servo. At least they were there in '92. I've never been lucky enough to follow the grader through like a young couple I read about who dragged a van to the top.

Thanks for your help
Kind regards
Seakarvan
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Reply By: Paul Grabonski. Vic - Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 09:57

Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 09:57
are you aware how dangerous and is against the law to turn over axles. There was a case before the courts 3 wks ago in SA where the insurance company refused to pay because of axle failure due to axles been turned over. Vehicle and caravan were wrecked. Insurance company won. Guy was $130k down the drain.
If you need clearance change to straight axles or get a certified engineer to give you a certificate and design to raise the suspension with a spacer from the chassis.
You are not only endangering your life but the life of other road users.
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Follow Up By: Paul Grabonski. Vic - Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 10:03

Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 10:03
not only was he $130k down the drain he had to pay the insurance companies court and engineering consultancy expenses of $14k
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Follow Up By: Seakarvan - Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 11:28

Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 11:28
Wow, Thanks Paul,

I thought simply putting the axle on the bottom of the springs was OK legally and insurance wise. I'm not disputing what you have advised but I'm told its a common practice. (eg. see exploreoz "Raising Caravan Height" Nov 13 2007)
I even seen new Jayco's and Paramount vans with the axle on the bottom of the springs.

Following your advice I'll check with the RTA and my Insurance company

Thanks for the warning.

Regards

Seakarvan
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Reply By: Seakarvan - Friday, Jul 04, 2008 at 05:26

Friday, Jul 04, 2008 at 05:26
Hi Paul,
Can you provide any more details of the example you raised? In particular, did this case (turned axles over) breach SA and/or the national Standards?

regards

Seakarvan
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