I found a BBQ gas bottle that expired a while ago.
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wato35
I found an old bbq gas bottle that expired years ago. It at least half full, the local tip wont take it while it has gas in it.
Can anyone tell me how to either empty it (I dont have a bbq that fits the conection) or where I can take it? I have been told that I can just release the gas into the air. Does it need to be earthed or what?
Thanks
Wato35
Reply By: Member - MUZBRY (VIC) - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 12:26
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 12:26
Gday Wato
The tip possibly wont take it even when it is empty because they have to pay to have them taken away.They are not aloud to be berried.
Murray
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Follow Up By: Member - MUZBRY (VIC) - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 12:31
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 12:31
Sorry about that,,I have used the wrong buried.
Murray
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 13:06
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 13:06
.... and the wrong 'aloud' !
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Follow Up By: wato35 - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 13:11
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 13:11
The tip will take an empty one for $3
Wato35
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Follow Up By: Willem - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 13:31
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 13:31
Dear Muzbry
It comes with age. Don't worry I reversed into the trailer parked in the driveway twice since yesterday. Something has jumped out of gear....LOL
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - MUZBRY (VIC) - Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 07:30
Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 07:30
Gday Shaker
I used that" ALOUD" so that you older people could hear me........
Muzbry
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Reply By: Member - RFLundgren (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 12:30
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 12:30
Wato
When we moved from NSW to WA we had to get our gas bottles emptied and certified. All they did was turn the bottle upside down and open the valve, letting the gas escape the bottle. Just make sure that there is nothing likely to cause ignition close by when you do it.
It was simple enough to do myself, but has to be done by a licensed LPG person to get certified for trasnport. You should be ok to empty the bottle yourself as long as you are cautious. Not sure about disposal after that though.
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Reply By: Member -Signman - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 13:06
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 13:06
I just put it in the middle of the backyard on a windy day- opened the valve and let the gas escape !!
No probs (just check the downwind neighbours are not having a bbq...
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Reply By: Member - Lewis K (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 13:25
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 13:25
Gday Wato,
If its an appropriate size, take it into a swap and go and collect a new one.
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Follow Up By: Patrolman Pat - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 14:09
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 14:09
I tried that recently and they are now checking the date and not swapping them over. i have swapped them previously with no problem. I miight have to wait until they are too busy to check next time.
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Follow Up By: Supercalafreakinawesome - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 17:05
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 17:05
According to their website you can swap an out of date bottle.
http://www.swapngo.com.au/faq
"What sort of gas bottle can I swap?
You can swap any brand, condition or type of gas bottle that is up to 9kg in size. You can swap a medium gas bottle for a large gas bottle and Elgas SWAP’n’GO will even swap a gas bottle that is out of date (out of test) and cannot be refilled."
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Ianw - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 20:11
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 20:11
Thats correct, you can swap an out of date cylinder, but you will/should be charged the 'out of date rate' which effectively means you have to pay almost new cylinder rate. (>$40)
Ian
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Follow Up By: Mainey (wa) - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 23:18
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 23:18
Yes, take it to a "swap & go" gas supplier, make sure you do it in the busy time, just ask the '
young girl' how you swap the bottle "because the supply box is locked" and they will give you a key because they are busy and also lazy too, allow them to see you have a bottle to exchange so no hassles there either with them checking you doing it correctly.
Mainey . . .
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Reply By: Willem - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 13:34
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 13:34
Open the valve and let all the gas out.
Take an angle grinder and cut the top off the bottle. Drill a hole on the bottom of the bottle and use it as a plant box or vase or to store all the odd nuts or bolts you have lying about
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Mal and Di (SA) - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 13:56
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 13:56
Willem Willem Willem,
Have you actually done this? I sounds fraught with danger to me, I remember the stories when I was on the farm about leaving fuel cans full of
water and they still exploded from the fumes. Maybe I am being a tad cautious but better than dead or minus an eye or more.
M.
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Follow Up By: Patrolman Pat - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 14:08
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 14:08
The corect procedure after emptying the bottle is to fill it with an inert gas, such as nitrogen, before doing any cutting/grinding etc.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 14:14
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 14:14
You modern people worry too much about everything
I have done similar things with tanks which have had fuel stored in them.
If all the gas has escaped from the cylinder you could hold a long match at the opening and burn off any residual. This is after unscrewing the tap so that the bottle is fully vented at the top. Any floating gas may ignite but burn off very quickly. Then fill the bottle with
water and cut the top off with the angle grinder
Ofcourse you have to take precautions but most things are possible without too much fuss.
I am not advocating this but state that in my opinion it can be done and I would probably do it of the need arises.
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 15:19
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 15:19
I am with Willem on this one.
These things can be handled safely and provided you give it time to properly vent you should be OK. I would vent the cylinder and then leave it for a week or two, preferably out in the sun so it can heat up and cool down a few times. This will act like a bit of a pump moving clean air in and out of hte cylinder.
There is a caution on the venting process. LPG is heavier than air and if it is allowed to accumulate it will
pool in low lying areas. Things like drains can cause a problem.
When venting the cylinder it is a good idea to put a spray from the garden hose through the gas stream to break it up and prevent pooling. If you are worried about wasting
water do it when it is raining. It should take about 10 to 20 min depending on size and how full it is.
Duncs
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Follow Up By: Willem - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 17:22
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 17:22
Thanks for that detailed analysis, Duncs. We can always rely on your experience.
How is the Big Smoke treating you?
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - kevin Y (SA) - Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 10:27
Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 10:27
take the top off the gas bottle --they make a great firepot or cooker
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 10:23
Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 10:23
G'day Willem,
The Big Smoke hhhhmmmmmfffff!!!
I could do without it mate.
At the moment I am working hard at reminding myself of all the reasons for moving back here. It's particularly difficult at the moment reading all the posts about
Innamincka.
We have got a week in the bush planned for the school hols. It's not far enough west, but it is in the bush and it will be with good friends. These friends are amongst the reasons for coming back east.
The reasons for moving back here are all still valid. They are, really they are, trust me Duncs those reasons still stack up, you did the right thing moving back to
Sydney.
There now I feel a bit better.
Now to avoid those
Innamincka posts.
Duncs
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Reply By: dagwill - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 16:20
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 16:20
i would have a bon fire with a couple of mates, choose a viewing point
well back and hope that someone doesnt throw the bottle into the fire and race back to the viewing spot
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Follow Up By: Member - barry F (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 16:33
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 16:33
No need for the bon fire. Just watch Willem with his angle grinder!! LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 18:36
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 18:36
Now were talking. ive seen it done with those butane cans so i would imagine a 9kg 1/2 full propane bottle shouls go a treat!
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 10:30
Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 10:30
Can I watch.
Purely from professional interest. I have never seen an LPG cylinder let go. The G size accetylene cylinder was spectacular though.
I am not interested in clowning around with this stuff 'cause it could be very dangerous and .........................................
well................ silly. But professionally :0))))
Duncs
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 16:34
Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 16:34
Mate all you need to do is take it to a swap and go and they'll swap it for you. I took all my expired bottles I found in the garage and swap and go'd them. When I say swap and go, it doesn't have to be them it can be anyone that does gas bottle swaps.
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Reply By: rabs - Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 12:12
Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 12:12
Why dont you turn it into one of these little rippers
cheers
Rabs
http://www.ozpig.com.au/
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Reply By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 12:34
Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 12:34
I noticed at the swap and go place a
sign with pricings and it now has a cost for the return of cylinders that are out of date. Of course thats if they look at your cylinder :)
I wonder if I can charge them for suppling out of date cylinders had two but returned them for in date ones.
I now
check the date or the
test date on cylinders I swap with. Mind you its getting rather costly at the swap and go
places cheaper to get them filled.
Brian
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 21:41
Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 21:41
Brian, In
Sydney, I can still fill a 9kg bottle for $14. Swap and go want $30... less thanhalf price.. Michael
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 21:37
Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 21:37
Gee!! It cant be that hard!! Give it to your next door neighbour to use on his BBQ till empty and take it to
the tip empty.. Michael.
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