Fridge Power

Submitted: Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 17:28
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If I run an Engel fridge directly from a $99 GMC generator, can I damage the fridge in any way, due to the "quality" of the power from the cheap generator?
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Reply By: Notso - Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 17:32

Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 17:32
The big problem with the cheap gennys is the voltage and frequency control.

Personally I wouldn't use it that way. I would use it to run a charger and charge a battery. That way you'd only need to run it for a few hours per day, depending on the size of the battery charger.
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Follow Up By: bigred70 - Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 17:38

Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 17:38
Thanks Notso.

Would an old land cruiser battery be ok to use or would I be better off buying a new battery?

If I should get a new battery, what is the ideal type?

Also can you run the fridge while charging the battery?

Thanks for your help.
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Follow Up By: Notso - Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 17:55

Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 17:55
If the battery will run your fridge for a day or so on a full charge it should be OK.

There are heaps of options for batteries ranging from hybrid types like exide extreme up to AGM types.

The Hybrids are cheaper and I use them but there are others who swear by the AGMs so it depends on how deep your pockets are I guess. A landrcruiser size battery is a good option as most 4WDs have that size and you can swap em around if needed.

Make sure you get a decent size, as in AMPs, battery charger if you haven't already got something as it cuts down the amount of time you need to run the genny.

Also don't let the genny run out of fuel whilst you are running the charger as it will hunt up and down in the revs and can burn out the charger.

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Reply By: Member - Roscoe ET (QLD) - Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 18:39

Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 18:39
bigred70,

I have a $99 GMC and damaged my battery charger by connecting the jenny to it something to do with the type of electricity generated.

I understand that you need a smooth sine wave whereas the cheap gennies produce an up and down current which you will notice by the meter on the battery charger if it has one, it will keep fluctuating.

Your jenny should have a 12v dc outlet which is meant to be used as a battery charger I was advised that I should only use it to charge my battery and only use it to charge a standard lead acid type not a calcium, gel or AGM as they need a 3 stage charger.

I changed to using the 12v outlet and have not had a problem charges the battery and I run a 110l waeco off the battery. I check the battery condition with a hydrometer.

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Reply By: bigred70 - Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 19:14

Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 19:14
Thanks Notso and Roscoe,

Sounds like the best thing to do would be to try one of the old land cruiser batteries I've got lying around. When I say "old" they're still quite good, but don't have enough herbs to turn over the diesel on a cold morning.

I'll charge the battery using the 12V outlet on the generator using the cable with aligator clips the generator comes with.

I had in the back of my head that the GMC wasn't too good in terms of the power it produces - that's what stopped me from connecting my computer to it in a black out! Sounds like it was a good decision not to.

Thanks again.
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 20:28

Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 20:28
Big red, I have an old battery from my hilux 670cca that was to me a bit dodgy. It was in the lux for five years and I was doing a run down the high country 2 years ago and thought I wont chance it going dead on me so replaced it with the biggest I could fit in the battery spot which was a 760cca from battery world ($170). I left that battery in the hilux when I sold it and still have the old one laying around. As the prado doesnt have duel batts and the one in it is only 430cca I have on occasions charged up the old battery put it in one of those battery boxes (black plastic) and have used that for the 50L waeco, running the fridge at 2c the battery will last me just on 48 hours before the light starts to flash on the waeco thats with the slide set at the lowest setting. I have done this a few times when we have gone away for 2 or 3 nights. It must be about to die now its nearly 8 years old now. I am going to put the biggest battery in the prado I can get for it soon. I ran permanant power to the back or the prado for the fridge but havnt ran the fridge off it yet for an over nighter due to the current battery in it. (mightnt start the next day). Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 20:37

Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 20:37
BigRed70, The engel fridge will not be damaged by running it from a $99 gmc generator , or from your houses mains 240vac supply unless of course either is stuffed itself
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Follow Up By: ozwasp - Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 21:49

Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 21:49
That's not what Engel say - Phone them, I did

Engel will only recommend using a perfect sine wave generator and only on their fridges manufactured over the last few years

As I said, phone them for yourself
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 07:47

Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 07:47
Thanks Ozwasp , but they have not given you correct information.

What they said is understandable and protects their interests , but if you ask for a technical reason as to why not you will soon
see the weakness in there reasoning.

If you wish to test there logic , ask them how good a sine wave, if they say "Perfect sine wave" again then tell them that even the mains is often not a perfect sine wave and can be worse than a $99 GMC under some conditions.



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Reply By: bigred70 - Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 20:55

Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 20:55
I didn't realise the fridge would use so little power and could last on a battery for so long, which is why I was originally planning to connect the fridge directly to the generator.

There's many advantages if I can run it from the battery without having to run the generator.

I'll try and replicate the system that Steve has described, which won't cost me anything because I've already got the stuff lying around.

Thank you all for your contributions.
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Reply By: rabs - Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 21:18

Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 21:18
honestly guys, Ive been running a cheap $85 genny I bought from Home Hardware and have run everything you could imagine, laptops,fridges,tv's,dvd's I also ran a few household appliances when we got the June storms in Newcastle and had no worries, Ive had it 3 years and never damaged anything wether out in the bush or at home, maybe im lucky who knows but surely after all this time something would have not liked it, best $85 bucks I ever spent

cheers

rabs
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 22:36

Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 22:36
Hi rabs
It is the luck of the draw, you have been lucky!!
Any electronic equipment can be damaged by a poor supply such as frequency[ engine speed]not being correct or varying, voltage spikes & wave form .
I would need to know EXACTLY what the genny was putting out BEFORE I WOULD CONNECT ANY EQUIPMENT WITH ELECTRONIC COMPONENTS , this includes Engel & waeco fridgs, dvd ,cd ,tv, laptops etc.
The same applies to inverters , PURE SINE WAVE IS THE ONLY SAFE WAY
AND I WOULD NOT BE ASKING THE SALES MAN IF IT WOULD BE OK .
Many have been lucky & had no trouble & others have destroyed their equipment in a very short time, the problem is you wont find out if its going to do damage until too late.
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 22:48

Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 22:48
Hi
Just a follow up, most good generators do put out a reasonably good wave form ,ie sine wave, but voltage & frequency[speed] contol are very important .
I don't know how the gmc measures up in this respect
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Reply By: DaveNQ1 - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 16:08

Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 16:08
If you speak to the people who are the authorised repairers of these fridges they will say no. Apparently they handle it ok until the genny starts to run out of fuel or play up and then the spikes become too much for the fridge too handle. I purchased my Engel from the authorised repairer in Cairns who also happened to live next door to me. He said he sees a few which have been buggered from cheap gennys and a way around it is to use a surge/spike protector.

Cheers Dave
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Reply By: greybeard - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 17:02

Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 17:02
i use an elcheapo generator ( $89 special ) feeding a 4 stage charger.
i've found that i can run the fridge directly ( waeco ) off the 240v as well as the charger.
i also found that if i placed a reasonable load onto the generator ( 100w light ) the charger would actually work a lot better. the charger has two settings ( 8amp and 16amp ) and without the 100w light it wouldn't switch from the initial charge mode to the high current stage when set to 16 Amps.
reason being the regulation on the generator struggles with the small load of the charger and with the fridge cycling on and off. running the charger seperately and the fridge from 240v means that the battery charges faster because all of the battery charge goes into the battery. the generator can easily handle the extra load
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Reply By: nowimnumberone - Tuesday, Jul 08, 2008 at 17:54

Tuesday, Jul 08, 2008 at 17:54
you will get a lot of no from people who have probly never even used an el cheapo genny dont listen to them listen to thoose who have used and then decide
i for 1 used an el cheapo to run my waecos for years on one and never had a problem.
cheers
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