Question on Biodiesel

Submitted: Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 19:27
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A mate of mine has a 01 5L 3.0LToyota Hilux and was wondering about using home made Biodiesel. I was hoping for some feed back from any one with experience.
Thank you in advance,

Glen.
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Reply By: Crackles - Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 20:10

Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 20:10
Glen can't specifically say how it effects that particular engine but it appears many of the current high tech diesels don't like it at all. Our fleet of diesel work vehicles are now fitted with stickers not to use Biodiesel as it could cause engine failure. I know 1st hand the latest F250's just stop completely.
Cheers Craig............
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Follow Up By: kyle46 - Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 21:42

Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 21:42
Crackles, Do you know what % biodiesel stopped the F250 and was it the 7.3 or 4.2? I don't run mine (7.3) on bio as it just uses 3lt/100k more and loses power!!!
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 22:16

Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 22:16
No don't know what the mix was. 7.3L
Craig...
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Reply By: Wisey - Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 20:36

Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 20:36
Blu

I've been using commercially produced BIO (B100) from Marrickville in my 99 5L for about 12 mths without any obvious effects. having said that, I don't know what it's doing internally to the fuel pump, injectors etc. I am still prepared to use it even though the pump price is only 10c les s than Diesel. Take into account about 50klm less to the tank and a small drop in performance, it probably works out about even.

If you can get quality at the right price then I can't "see" any problems.

Andy
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 13:55

Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 13:55
If your only saving 10c lt & getting less KL and less performance what's the point? Why take the risk.
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Follow Up By: Ozboc - Friday, Jul 11, 2008 at 22:29

Friday, Jul 11, 2008 at 22:29
dave in my case its costing me .30 cpl to produce -- thats a saving of $1.50 PL x 150 L

you tell me ..... why take the risk ??

brand new fuel pump has already been paid for in fuel savings --- TWICE .....
have not had to get my injectors cleaned in 2 years now ... after my week up in Barrington tops --- my clock is almost showing 300 000 KM

worth the risk ..... YOU BET - No black smoke when i nail it - engine sounds quieter - starts first kick every time - Smells cleaner



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Reply By: Aussie.Nomad - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 08:32

Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 08:32
There's some very interesting stuff on the i-net about diesel substitute addatives .. evidently you can add other oils directly to the tank mixing it with diesel, with no apreciable performace loss, or damage to the engine. Main problem seems to be viscosity of the oils. it can start to solidify in the tank and lines, requiring heaters to be installed on tank and fuel pump. Haven't done it yet, still Googling the subject.
I'd like to hear from anyone who is adding old cooking oil, or whatever to their tank.

As for bio-diesel, seems manufacturers are leery of it. Most new fourbies have 'Don't Use' stickers on the fuel filler. Also, seems it's very expensive to produce at home, and to make useable quantities you'd be at it full time.
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Follow Up By: troy - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 15:52

Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 15:52
Have you tried making Bio at home? It takes approx 1 hour to mix. I admit it took a bit of mucking around to get the setup and the concentrations right but as for cost 30 - 50 cpl
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Reply By: bludog - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 18:19

Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 18:19
Thanks for the replies.
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Reply By: Wisey - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 21:47

Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 21:47
Dave, your right, at it's current price guessament.

But up until the recent price hikes it was at least 20c pl cheaper making it still viable. I haven't used a lot of fuel lately so I haven't been past to fill up, so I'm unsure of the price today.

Andy
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Reply By: Angler - Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 22:02

Monday, Jul 07, 2008 at 22:02
The most expensive part of bio making at home is the methanol. If you buy a 200 litre drum it works out to less than 30c a litre. My mate has the latest model Hi Lux 3 litre running on 100% homemade bio and has done since about two months old. No problems so far after about 20 months. Getting the vegetable oil is the hard part, old animal oil is easy to get. The mixture I remember is about 60 animal to 40 veg oil plus the other bits. Washing and drying the bio takes all the time.

Pooley
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Follow Up By: Ozboc - Friday, Jul 11, 2008 at 22:34

Friday, Jul 11, 2008 at 22:34
You can actually skip the drying stage if your patient -- as you know the drying stage helps to make the bio clear as it removes the water from the fuel via several methods -- one of those is a simple air pump and air stone .....

If you actually let your bio sit for about 2 weeks -- all the water will settle out anyway ( to the bottom ) and on my settling tank i have a valve at the very bottom to allow me to drain of the water

I find this is a better option as you have to handle it a lot less - but if you want to use it ASAP - then drying is the option for you :)

Boc

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Reply By: Ozboc - Friday, Jul 11, 2008 at 22:23

Friday, Jul 11, 2008 at 22:23
Greetings , i have been making my own bio for 2 years now - Works a treat in my Nissan 4.2 TDI 2000 model - on average it costs me .20 - .30 c per l to make ( as apposed to buying at 1.80+ a litre for dino )
Its becoming really hard to find a good source of constant oil -- I have used Lard - vegetable - sesame

lard works great - but a summer time fuel - sesame oil would be my choice


you will make mistakes at first -- so make little batches - then progress up -- i make 200 litre batches at a time


**WARNING** Methanol is very dangerous -- METHOXIDE is very dangerous ( mixed Methanol and caustic ) Be very aware of static electricity when working with your brew - work is a VERY well ventilated area and iff possible - have your main mixing vessel sealed

if you want more info - just let me know

Boc


P.s - 90 % of the time - the only negative recommendations are from people that know someone that had a friend that used it once ..... and hearsay is a fair more dangerous tool than a gun

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