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Can someone please advise if the new style caravans with the bigger european style windows impact on the strength/of the caravan structure?
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Reply By: Notso - Wednesday, Jul 09, 2008 at 13:48

Wednesday, Jul 09, 2008 at 13:48
Do you mean structural or the ability to withstand a break and enter?

Anyhow I've owned both types and I don't see any real difference as far as structural strength is concerned, if anything the new vans are probably better built than previously. I was just talking to a friend who is in the repair business and he reckons the repair business is dropping off due to better construction.

There may be slight reduction in the overall security aspect with the new windows although you could argue that the Polycarbonate windows are tougher than glass so more secure.

So, I'd just buy a reputable brand from a reputable dealer and go for it.
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Follow Up By: EscapeArtists - Wednesday, Jul 09, 2008 at 13:55

Wednesday, Jul 09, 2008 at 13:55
"So, I'd just buy a reputable brand from a reputable dealer and go for it."

Indeedy.


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Reply By: deserter - Wednesday, Jul 09, 2008 at 14:34

Wednesday, Jul 09, 2008 at 14:34
Buy Australian Made.
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Reply By: Keenycruiser - Wednesday, Jul 09, 2008 at 17:48

Wednesday, Jul 09, 2008 at 17:48
The European and Pommie vans are built a lot lighter than Oz vans. I towed a 21' van in England and it only weighed 1650kgs but my van in Oz is 2150kgs for the 21'. The Poms and EU people tend to just travel to a site, stay 2 weeks and go home they don't do the travelling we do over good and bad roads. Keep to Oz vans but still have plenty of windows it's the chassis and suspension that counts not the windows.
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Reply By: Neil & Pauline - Wednesday, Jul 09, 2008 at 19:58

Wednesday, Jul 09, 2008 at 19:58
Make sure that you get a van with a reliable chassis. Bigger is not always better. I have seen a modern van with an eight inch deep "A" frame that only goes to just past the front of the van. It is then joined with a two inch weld. Effectively the point needing the most strength is two inches (less loss for the weld). The other six inches of the A frame is cosmetic and adding weight.
A point mid-way between the tow ball and front spring hanger is required to take one & half times the total weight of the van with absolute minimum deflection (there is a measurement in the Australian standards). Basiclay if a couple of people can jump up and down on the A frame at the front of the van and get any movement it fails Australian Design Rules and should not have a compliance plate. A number of vans do not comply but the manufacturers themselves fit the compliance plate and it is "self regulation".
good luck.

Neil
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Follow Up By: Member - Don M (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 09, 2008 at 21:25

Wednesday, Jul 09, 2008 at 21:25
Whoa there Neil...that is a majoir statement without too much supportingi info.

So, lets get his right, most vans you assert, on Australian roads don't comply because the manufacturers do their own compliance plating....???

Do you think that perhaps before they got to that stage that they haven't had to undergo some rigorous testing by the autoirities....???
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Follow Up By: Ianw - Wednesday, Jul 09, 2008 at 23:50

Wednesday, Jul 09, 2008 at 23:50
I think his words were "a number of vans" not "most"!!

Ian
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Follow Up By: Member - Don M (NSW) - Thursday, Jul 10, 2008 at 07:16

Thursday, Jul 10, 2008 at 07:16
Probably jumped in a bit but I would say there are no vans in this category. Knowing the loops I had to jump through to bring into Australia, my car from UK, (current Mercedes E320), I would not think there would be any van registered in NSW at least that wasn't inspected 2 or 3 times to get a 'Blue Slip' if my experience is anything to go by.
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Follow Up By: Neil & Pauline - Thursday, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:08

Thursday, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:08
The same thing concerns me Don. If you build your own trailer / van the hoops (and cost) you have to jump through is unreal compared to what a "recognised" manufacturer with there own inspector. I understand importing is the same issue.
A caravan yard did have an engineers certificate stating a make /model of caravan (22 of them) did not minimum design rules.
There is no policing of non compliance other than as a result of a coroners enquirer. I don't intend to the cause of that so sold the van.
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Follow Up By: Neil & Pauline - Thursday, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:09

Thursday, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:09
forgot to add there is more than one make of van I have seen non complying.
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Follow Up By: Member - Don M (NSW) - Thursday, Jul 10, 2008 at 13:35

Thursday, Jul 10, 2008 at 13:35
Neil,

So what make of van was it...send me a pm.

I have looked at heaps of vans, in detail (paticularly structural) over the last 4-5years and I chose one of the bigget makes and am satisfied it meets all the requirements. As well as which, I have had it underslung which also oncreases it's main chassis members and have a good look at how those members are connected to the main van chassis...looks pretty good to me.
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Thursday, Jul 10, 2008 at 14:20

Thursday, Jul 10, 2008 at 14:20
Dont know if trailer campers come under the same rules or not, but when we bought ours from a dealer in SA new, it had a plate pop riveted to it etc and all I had to do was go to RTA and get it registered. The wheels were hanging out the guards, no reflectors, number plate light was no where near the plate, the safety chain wouldnt have held a dog let alone the trailer if it come away from my vehicle let alone a few other things. I rang the RTA and asked them about all the above faults and they said no way if it had to have an inspection would they pass it. Hence how I got another new one sent over to me, all issues fixed but still sold it 12 months later was a total piece of sh#t. Just cause its got a plate on it means nothing if it was put there by manufacturer as far as Im concerned. These days I think you need to know a little bit yourself as well. Could be an insurance issue if in the event you were unlucky enough to have to claim from an accident and turns out its not road worthy due to defects from the original manufacturer. Regards Steve M
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