NiCad/NiMH- Whats the difference??
Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 09:53
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Member -Signman
Just getting stuff organized for a trip- and batterys for the Digi Camera and handheld UHF...
What's the difference between th NiCad and NiMH batterys- for the above applications ?? I use AA in the camera and AAA in the radio??
Reply By: Member - RFLundgren (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:01
Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:01
NiCad are the earlier version of the rechargeable batteries and have an issue with memory retention.
NiMH are a later version and can be recharged from any point in their cycle with no memory effect at all. Essentially if you do not let the NiCad fully discharge, they will get a "memory" at some point and will only then charge to that point.
Does that make sense? This is what I understand, although perhaps people such as Mainey will be able to shed a more technical explaination on it for you.
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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:04
Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:04
Thanks Richard..
Has the 'parcel' arrived yet??
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Follow Up By: Member - RFLundgren (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:15
Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:15
No worries David. No it hasnt arrived as yet, but things can take a while to get to WA for some strange reason. Hopefulyl it will arrive today or tomorrow.
Got my vehicle back yesterday after being serviced, so now back to the troubleshooting of the damn radio. Will take it in again this afternoon where they will probably have to pull it out, open it up and see what is going on inside. Such is life :)
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Reply By: Scubaroo - Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:48
Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:48
Check that your devices will work with rechargeable batteries before spending a bundle on spare batteries - I have some LED Petzl headlamps that I bought NiMH AAA batteries (1.2V) for, and the headlamp is designed for 3 alkaline batteries (1.5V) - the headlamp sucks the juice out of the NiMHs in no time because they're designed for 4.5V, and they're only getting 3.6V with the rechargeables.
Most devices work (I use NiMH in almost everything that takes AA/AAA/C/D cells), but the Petzls don't like them. End up having to use alkaline in them.
Another tip - even if you've got an in-car charger for NiMH, have at least two sets of batteries for everything, so you can rotate batteries - charge the flat ones while using fresh ones.
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 13:23
Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 13:23
That is a good tip and why it pays to check out things 1st..
If a device is designed to run on 12V , no use trying to run it on 11V..
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 15:52
Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 15:52
I run rechargables in my head torches - yes slightly less
bright and noticably less life but still worthwhile in my opinion as I hate throwing things in the bin (not to mention forking out cash). Also run them in my GPS units, the slightly less voltage isnt an issue and again beats carrying a box of normal alkalines.
The worst rechargabales are the "9V type" ones - they are actually only 7.2V!!
Cheers
Greg
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Follow Up By: Member -Dodger - Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 16:03
Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 16:03
I have a small battery charger that charges these types, IE. NiMH as
well as Alkaline batterys.
The NiMh bats are 1.2 Volts and the Alkaline are 1.5 volts.
It is called a Grandcell Dual Charger.
This allows me to use the 1.5v batts in the Camera, plus radio and the NiMH in the Gps.
Both types of bats are readily available in fact 2 of each came with the charger.
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Follow Up By: Scubaroo - Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 17:20
Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 17:20
I hate tossing batteries into the rubbish too - in Europe apparently you can get them recycled.
The headlamps I have are Petzl Tikka XPs - the rechargeables work for about 30 minutes before the lights go dim and they start flashing on and off to indicate low voltage. Alkaline Duracells last for about 10 hours before flashing.
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Reply By: DesF - Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 17:14
Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 17:14
Hi, I have found that any rechargables dont seem have a very long life ( 6 months). last trip with new camera I found that they were only lasting a few days , what with checking shots etc , and bought a set of Energiser Lithium AA's ( advertised to take 600 shots ) for $13.50) on the way to WA, that was last August and I have just replaced them,( battery icon showed up when the flash was recharging) took over 500 odd shots and some video etc on that trip( 5 weeks ), plus all the editing while we were away ,and have been using it regularly since then .
I have since shelved the charger & 3 sets of batteries.
Very happy with these, just my experience.
Cheers Des.
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Follow Up By: Peter - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 07:57
Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 07:57
There are now a few new options in NiMH Batteries. You can now gr ones that have a long shelf life. They will have 85% of charge after 12 months. The brands so far are Sanyo Enloop available at DSE, Uniross Hydro available at harvey noman and Sony make one as
well available at woollies.
These batteries are nominally 2000ma whis is alot less than the 2500 and 2700 we have been buying. The good thing is they don't lose power as quick and in our camera last alot longer even though they are lower power rated. I thing the larger old style batteries leak alot of power and therefore go flat alot quicker. This is probably the problem of trying to fit more Plating int ohe same size container
Hope this helps
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 17:25
Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 17:25
Terminal voltage is the same for both - approx. 1V2
NiMH cells have a greater energy density against volume so they come in larger capacities.
NiCads have a far lower self discharge rate than NiMH so if you can't recharge them for a couple of weeks NiCads (even lower capacity ones) may be a better bet.
NiCads will provide a higher maximum current than NiMH.
Beware: NiMH cells above 2000mAh capacity have a 0.2mm larger diameter than other cells - generally won't matter but sometimes it does - Garrett Infinium gold detector for example.
The "Memory Effect" is a myth (spacecraft aside) - these is a condition know as "charge depression" but don't worry about it.
Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark H (VIC) - Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 22:18
Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 22:18
In regards to the capacity, I have both types and the largest NiCad capacity I could get was 700mAH, while my NiMH are 2500mAH!
Cheers,
Mark.
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Reply By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 07:57
Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 07:57
Get some Lithium batteries for the camera. They last for ages.
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Reply By: Scubaroo - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:11
Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:11
Are Lithium Ion rechargeables available in AA? Remember looking for them ages ago but couldn't find anything. Reckon they would be the ducks nuts if they came in 1.5V.
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Follow Up By: Scubaroo - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:17
Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:17
Hey - turns out you can get Li-Ion AA and AAAs - but they run at 3.7V
Li-Ion AA
Trouble is at 3.7V they'd likely fry most electronics! Not sure the Garmin would be too happy with 7.4V instead of 3V.
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:47
Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:47
After having tried many different brands of AA and AAA batteries and looked after them in very expensive chargers/conditioners, the ONLY ones I will buy from now on will be Sanyo Eneloops.
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:50
Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:50
"Memory" is a very bad name for the fact that NiCd and NiMH batteries will lose capacity if you don't discharge/recharge them AT least once every three months.
No, this doesn't apply for Lead-Acid batteries, but then their chemistries are totally different.
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Reply By: Steve63 - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 14:31
Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 14:31
I have given up on rechargable batteries. There are a few issues one being that rechagables have a slightly lower voltage. Equipment designed for alkaline batteries can then act like the batteries are getting flat quite quickly, particularly if it is very cold. However equipment designed for rechargables are usually fine. The other problem I have had is some of the chargers seem to kill the rechargables. I am happy to stand corrected on this point but the last time I used rechargables I had 8 AA less that 12 months old and 8 new AA's. After a 10 week trip only 4 still accepted any charge.
Steve
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 18:59
Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 18:59
There are many bad chargers around.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Jul 17, 2008 at 17:45
Thursday, Jul 17, 2008 at 17:45
The other issue is environmental - Cadmium is pretty toxic and people dump them in normal waste. Just another reason why NiMh are preferred.
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