Simpson Desert French Line Feedback

We are planning to cross the Simpson late August on way to Birdsville Races. 2 vehicles travelling - 70 Series Toyota Landcruiser Would like to know :- fuel required, would a GPS be beneficial - if so, what sort & where to purchase. Apart from the French line are any deviations worth as an alternative.
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 20:20

Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 20:20
100 litres plus reserves. You will not need a gps and you will probably see several other vehicles on the track. See the 'Treks' section of this web site.

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Follow Up By: Member - John K (SA) - Thursday, Jul 17, 2008 at 19:04

Thursday, Jul 17, 2008 at 19:04
Thanks - both vehicles have 180 litres so should be o/k
Probably wont worry now about the gps -
John
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Reply By: lovely - Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 20:53

Tuesday, Jul 15, 2008 at 20:53
Please take more than 100 ltrs. plus reserves. I don't have a definitive answer, but fuel consumption guide on Exploroz is a good guide. A couple of cans. won't hurt. Holed tanks happen. Don't need it all in one tank, same with water. Didn't use as much water as I took, but was sure grateful I had it. Used Sat phone when my son had a problem. Had HF radio also. Belt and braces man. Watch that road from Dalhousie to Mt Dare. It's says go 40Km/h. Perhaps I should have. Lost a tire to stones,(sidewall). Great trip. Dunes the most interesting, but not difficult. bit of momentum up and just roll over. When blind at the top, hardly moving, a little time to see whether left or right. few straight over. That flag essential, plus talk on ch10.
Have a great one. David
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Reply By: Visitor - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 00:07

Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 00:07
For a normal diesel patrol / cruiser etc....
Have at least 180litres..
A good way to go is french, rig, waa, knolls, french, k1, qaa.....
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:03

Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:03
180 litres. You have to be kidding !
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Follow Up By: Visitor - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 14:01

Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 14:01
ok... maybe 160litres for the route i mentioned...

180litres didnt seem too over the top...
What was your thoughts for which route?
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 15:13

Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 15:13
Hi Visitor, If you check the TREK notes you will see that a 6 cyl diesel will probably use 96 litres. That's exactly what I used Birdsville - Knolls - WAA - Rig - Mt Dare. The Troopy holds about 180 so feel free to carry a full load but 'have at least 180' seems a bit high to me. If you say 'at least 180' then some people will think that they should carry extra 'just incase'. Weight plays a big part in fuel consumption so I would not carry more then my tanks hold on the Troopy.

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Follow Up By: Visitor - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 16:19

Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 16:19
Yeah, you are right about how i wrote it...
I was prob assuming patrol / cruiser etc with 140 - 180 onboard..
I crossed at the beginning of season and used 140litres then crossed again when the tracks were worn in a bit better and used 100litres...
I am always assuming 3 litre patrols with autos,,,, etc,,, they will use 140litres easy...
Oh well,, if you assume the worst you cant get burnt..
Anyway,, i should have asked what he had before i quoted a number...

Cheers...
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Follow Up By: Visitor - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 16:20

Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 16:20
as in what engine as he said what car..
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Follow Up By: Member - John K (SA) - Thursday, Jul 17, 2008 at 19:16

Thursday, Jul 17, 2008 at 19:16
We both have 180 litre tanks so should be o/k
(Cruiser & Prado)
Cheers
John
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Reply By: Member Brian (Gold Coast) - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 08:09

Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 08:09
Take plenty of fuel, water and food.... and have some comms. UHF ch 10 is the desert channel, but if you get into strife you might need sat phone or HF. (Depends on the "strife" really, car trouble you "should" be ok as there are lots of others doing the same trip and someone will stop to help, although late August might be different..... it's Medical emergencies that are the ones you might need better comms for!)

GPS is a handy thing to have, but not an absolute necessity, cool to plot way point for Points Of Interest along the way etc, and if you do get stranded and have to contact others, at least you know exactly where you are!



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Reply By: Member -Signman - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 09:08

Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 09:08
We're off in about 3 weeks (wow- is it that close !!)..

From Dalhousie Spring- French line- Rig Rd- WAA line-to the Lone Gum Tree- WAA line- Knolls Track- French line- Poeppel Corner- then on to Birdsville.

Will be fuelling up at Oodnadatta, then it's about 693km to Birdsville.
Will need about 120 litres- but Troopy carrys 180 litres so should be OK. (May carry 20 litres extra just in case).

Have all the waypoints plotted with turns, points of interest etc. Would be happy to send you if you have a GPS.

Cheers


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Follow Up By: Member - Craig D (SA) - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:12

Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:12
Might see you out there Signman. Am leaving 1st August - Dal - French Line - Birdsville. Will be taking 175 litres from Oodnadatta this time but last year did your planned trek above and used 135 litres (but that was with a blocked fuel filter which only reared it's ugly head at Big Red!) so expecting to use much less this year (4.2 TDi Patrol Cab Chassis).

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:24

Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:24
Craig,
We should be at Dalhousie on 15th...What's your schedule ??

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Follow Up By: Member - Craig D (SA) - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:17

Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:17
PM sent.
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Follow Up By: Member - John K (SA) - Thursday, Jul 17, 2008 at 19:12

Thursday, Jul 17, 2008 at 19:12
Thanks - probably not going to worry re the gps now thanks to all the replies. We are both towing camper-trailers but intend to leave them at Maree & pick up after Birdsville.
Any opinions on taking the trailers ???
Might see you at Birdsville we plan on being there for the races
Cheers
John
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Reply By: ingo57 - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:25

Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:25
Gday John

We crossed the French line 3 weeks ago, was pretty hard packed and chopped up in parts so slow going. The best info you can get is included in the desert parks pass which covers all the different things to see.

A GPS is always good to have for peace of mind. In saying that, the track is so well defined now Its hard to make a wrong turn and the major turns are sign posted.

I have a 4.8 Patrol and we used 160 litres Birdsville to Mt Dare, we paid $2.18 per litre (ULP) so you can bet diesal will be at least 20 cents per litre more.

Make sure you stop for a dip at Dalhousie springs and have a good trip.

Cheers
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Reply By: Steve63 - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 14:11

Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 14:11
We crossed Birdsville to Mt Dare in early May this year using the suggested route in the Treks section. The tops and face of quite a few dunes were very soft in some areas. We used 150l of diesel in a 79 Series TD cab chasis. We had two jerries just in case as we were travelling by ourselves (so probably 180 - 200l usable). If the whole crossing had been like the WAA line 200l may not have been enough! The group that arrived at Mt Dare in front of us went straight accross the French line (and were experienced travellers having crossed Simpson 6 times previously) had their fuel lights on 50 km outside of Mt Dare. I'm not saying how much fuel you really need rather conditions can change and the amount of fuel required changes as well. In our situation the wind came up most nights and often completely filled in the tyre tracks on the crests of the dunes. I have never been in the Simpson later in the season so can not comment about August.

Steve
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Follow Up By: lovely - Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 21:24

Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 at 21:24
Has anyone actually tested how much extra fuel you use by carrying a couple of cans, just in case? Guess what. I'd take a couple of cans, 'just in case'. David
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Follow Up By: Steve63 - Thursday, Jul 17, 2008 at 09:59

Thursday, Jul 17, 2008 at 09:59
In reality not that much. It is 40l so say 42kg in weight out of over 3,000kg for the loaded vehicle. The other 250kg of just in case may be a bit of a different matter though. I suppose it a case of allowing for reasonable eventualities. Walking to the nearest servo is not an attractive option! :-)

Steve
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Reply By: Member - Justin & Tracey (VIC) - Sunday, Jul 20, 2008 at 14:45

Sunday, Jul 20, 2008 at 14:45
we just got back from that trip did Birdsville to popels 170km them 92km in seven hours second day then another 170 to dalhousie then down to Oodnadatta very rough road but didn't do a tyre thank god and i run coopers $2.22 diesel at Oodnadatta then on to coober peady . i fuelled up at Birdsville 190lt and made it easily to Coober Pedy . brought a hema gps just for the trip it was good but if u have maps not really needed anyway hope u have a good trip
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Follow Up By: Member - John K (SA) - Monday, Jul 21, 2008 at 07:53

Monday, Jul 21, 2008 at 07:53
Thanks Justin & Tracey - we had good maps so will not bother with the gps now Notice on your profile you have a camper trailer. Did you take this on the trip ??
Regards,
John
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Follow Up By: Member - Justin & Tracey (VIC) - Monday, Jul 21, 2008 at 18:39

Monday, Jul 21, 2008 at 18:39
no john not this trip did it with two oz tents. pased some people with them but only coming from met dare to Birdsville way anyway hope u had as much fun as we did
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Follow Up By: Member - John K (SA) - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 17:56

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 17:56
Would you say it would be o/k to take the trailers ?? -
John
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Follow Up By: Justin & Tracey (VIC) - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 19:53

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 19:53
if u are coming from dalhousie u should be ok bit harder from Birdsville sharper sides of the dunes might use a bit more fuel tho . none of the people we passed with campers said they had had much trouble just remember the tyre pressures and u should be fine. the road in from Oodnadatta is atrocious rocks corrugation's and bull dust so take it easy on that but after that just the usual sand dunes
justin
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