fuel price lowered- so simple maybe

Submitted: Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 21:48
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is it this simple . if fuel for transport and farm companies was lowered to under 1$ a litre we would all be saved from the 'inflation' that has occured due to higher fuel costs?
maybe introduce europes tactics and dye the fuel designated for different uses so the 'system' is not abused.
most things we use everyday has been put on a truck or from a farm, let alone considering what has used crude oil to produce it--but thats another story.....
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 21:58

Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 21:58
And who would reimburse the oil companies etc for their drop in profit margins ???

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Follow Up By: samsgoneagain - Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:00

Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:00
goverment, maybe even sacrifice some politicians wages..
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:03

Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:03
Sam,

The government has no money of its own. It's ours. To reimburse anyone the government would have to raise the money from us via taxes or reduce services.

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Follow Up By: Member - Footloose - Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:18

Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:18
I couldn't see it being a long term solution, and in the short term we might just have to wear it for country towns to survive?
Maybe if the incoming PM's didn't refurbish the Lodge and Govt House...
If the Govt fleet consisted of bicycles...
If the pollies bought their own groceries...
Sorry guys, it's late and I think I'm dreaming already.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:35

Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:35
Footy,

When have govts worried about the survival of country towns? Sure, they'll make the usual token gestures but it usually ends up being a version of death by a thousand cuts. We all see dying towns every day we travel.

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Reply By: Member - Footloose - Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:10

Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:10
Seems like an easy solution, doesn't it.
Let's have a quick think. Just trucks ? What about professional fishermen? etc etc. The problem is that whenever markets are distorted, someone ends up paying the price.
Possibly less infrastructure would be planned. Un economic trucking companies would stay in the industry and it would do nothing for the environment or the development of cleaner and more sustainable fuels.

For example some Asian countries have subsidized fuel until recently. Removal of those subsidies have sent shock waves through their economies and some some cases people have rioted in the streets.

Can you imagine any diesel owner not rorting the system ? Do the words "black market" sound familiar?
Those are just a few late night thoughts. I'm sure that others will ramble less than I :))


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Follow Up By: samsgoneagain - Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:35

Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:35
why would less infrasctruture be planned.?
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 08:21

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 08:21
Hi Footy

We are starting to agree for too much..

Have a good weekend.
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Follow Up By: Member - Footloose - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:43

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:43
Sam, less indrastructure would be planned because country towns would flourish (in some cases). Therefore people wouldn't want to move to the cities where the transport system (for example) would have become overloaded.
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Reply By: stefan P (Penrith NSW) - Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:44

Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:44
All noble thoughts, BUT we have to support a way of life for our oil producing nations, see text and pics below

Sultan of Brunei's Private Airplane........

An Air Force Lt. General wrote:
'I toured this aircraft as it was being 'remodeled' in Waco, Texas.
Yes, the sinks are solid gold and one of them is Lalique crystal. The Sulton bought the aircraft brand new for roughly $100 Million dollars.
He had it flown to Waco from the Boeing
factory and had the interior completely removed. Then, he had the folks at E- Systems install $120 Million worth of improvements inside and outside.
I have gained entrance to nuclear weapons storage areas much easier than it was gaining entrance to see this airplane. While there it struck me . Maybe the rich really are different than the rest of us.

And we're paying for this through the price of oil!
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:51

Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:51
Stefan,

It's pretty simple, they've got the oil, we need it. Because of that need, we'll continue to provide them with more money than they know what to do with.

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Follow Up By: samsgoneagain - Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:53

Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:53
that makes me angry too. there is only a few major oil companies in the world. so they can set the price to what ever they want.
remembering that engine companies have interests in oil companies and vice versa.
you all know that fuel should only have 10% gst on it . but it has 46% per litre taxes at the bowser.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:57

Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:57
Sam,

Where do you get this 46%/litre tax figure from?

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Follow Up By: samsgoneagain - Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 23:15

Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 23:15
http://www.racv.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/Internet/Primary/my+car/advice+%26+information/fuel/fuel+tax/tax+tables/
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Follow Up By: samsgoneagain - Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 23:23

Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 23:23
and here is the extra for biofuel
http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/Committee/economics_ctte/completed_inquiries/2004-07/fuel_1/report/c02.htm
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 23:34

Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 23:34
Sam,

Nowhere in those RACV tables, that I can see, does it state that there is a 46% tax per litre overall at the bowser although at a certain price point there will be. The tax on fuel at the bowser is 38.1?? CENTS per litre + GST (10%) on total price. That is why, on the tables you have indicated the tax/litre is 62.2% @ 70.9c/litre and 36.21% @ 138.9c/litre.
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Follow Up By: samsgoneagain - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 00:27

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 00:27
regardless of other calculations, why isn't there just 10% GST on fuel.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 00:37

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 00:37
Sam,

Because govts have to raise revenue to keep everything going. If they cut out the fuel excise and only charge the GST, the revenue that they used to get from the fuel excise will have to come from us in some other way.

Although our fuel prices have risen considerably over the last few years, they are still amongst the cheapest in the Western world. Some say we have been living in a fool's paradise for too long. It's time we entered the real world.

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Follow Up By: samsgoneagain - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 00:42

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 00:42
yes we are living in A FOOLS WORLD .
and fools will be fornicated in the rectum
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 00:55

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 00:55
LOL see Sam, you knew exactly what was happening all along hahahahaha
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Reply By: Member - Don M (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 07:46

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 07:46
Not exactly $1.00/litre but in NZ anyway, diesel at the pump is cheaper than ULP...from memory on my recent trip, it was about 10c cheaper per litre. BUT...tax was not included and you have to pay for that and get a disc for your window, I think 6 months in advance. Now if you use the fuel for farming, fishing or I suppose transport, you get to pay a lot less tax. Don't know how much but it is a bit more realistic than here.
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Reply By: The Landy - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 08:19

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 08:19
That would be a subsidy that we pay for..

Malaysia just cuts its fuel subsidy because it was costing the coutry US$ 20 bln per annum. A number of other countires have also followed the lead.

We should be happy for this because for as long as Asia subsidises prices for furel there will be no incentive for people and industry in those countries to modify their usage. The higher price has slowed demand for oil it is also encourgaging people to look to alternative sources.

I notice earlier you mention that oil companies set the price...this is not necessarily true. It is a freely trqaded commodity and those that want it, as distinct from those selling it, or the ones pushing the price higher as they move to secure supply.
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Reply By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 09:27

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 09:27
Hi All

To my way of thinking, its just another way of having a go at the
Western World, a form of Terrorism, with out Blowing Up or
Shooting People, holding us to Ransom, they are dictating how we
live, knowing that they can put the Oil prices up as they wish, while
the Oil Rich Arabs live in luxury, and our Government exports Gas for
Peanuts, I worry about our Grand Kids and what the Future holds for them.

Cheers
Daza
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Reply By: DIO - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 09:57

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 09:57
AAAAAH stop the whinging you mob - YOU won't change anything except for your blood pressure and 'premature' date of death. Get on with life and enjoy yourselves, live your life according to your means.
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Follow Up By: Member - Footloose - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:59

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:59
St Dio, one of the great things about our country is that we are free to whinge about whatever/whoever we wish.
ASIO is yet to make an impact on the general community :)
This country is, in many ways, growing up. Cultural cringe and ignorance of the rest of the world are (I hope) fast disappearing.
30 years ago if I, as an immigrants son, suggested that something might be better or that we should look at o/s examples of something, then I would have been told to "get back to where I came from."
These days people listen and watch the box and some actually retain interesting stuff.
These days many more have seen that although we have the best country on earth to live in, that doesn't mean that some things can't be improved. Might I suggest (with tongue firmly in cheek) that discussion isn't whinging, and that a good whinge can sometimes be heard through the policy makers windows.
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Reply By: howesy - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 16:52

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 16:52
Dont want to go showing my age here but when I was a lad fuel was a regulated industry and fuel companies had to apply to put up fuel prices and justify the case. If you didn't like it you didnt sell here and they will take lower profits rather than none.
There is not one industry that I have seen in my life that has been deregulated and not resulted in grossly increased costs to the consumer just look at banks. The govt tells us deregulation creates competition (BULLS@#T) it creates corruption and collusion and thats all. I know we cant go back but anyone that cant see that we are getting done over needs to wake up and smell the roses the world is round not flat.
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Follow Up By: Twintrail(W.A.) - Sunday, Jul 20, 2008 at 00:53

Sunday, Jul 20, 2008 at 00:53
i agree so was the banking system.
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Reply By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 19:03

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 19:03
It just shows how much some people know about world economics and how it works.

Why not lower our standard of living and then the government will have money to lower the fuel price....simple!

How are we going to lower the fuel prices of overseas based international carriers who ship imported products and produce into Australia?


I say samsgoneagain for PM...thank god it will never happen.




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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 20:17

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 20:17
Economics....?

Yes I have studied it ad nauseam at Uni.

I have come to the conclusion that the old joke "ask 5 economists a question and you'll get 6 answers" is not far off the mark.

Jim.

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