80 series transfer case worry

Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 23, 2008 at 17:22
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Hi all!
After buying my father-in-law's petrol automatic 80 series with 265,000kms i have come across a potentially expensive problem... He has had it since new, had all manufacturer's services done plus serviced it between since he has towed a camper trailer around Oz a few times, and has never had a problem.
I decided to change all the oils, with them all coming out like honey and all clean sump plug chip detectors- excellent.... except the transfer case's sump plug chip detector had some seriously huge chunks of metal on it after clean oil drained out....
This cruiser has never been really pushed (driven by a 70yr old) and probably never even been in low range!
There are about 8 metal slivers about 2mm thick and range from the size of half a thumb nail to half that again, and a few shavings. They are ferrous of course, and look like a torn up washer or shim or tang or something like that.
She still drives beautifully with the later series viscous coupling seeming ok, no noises, and i gave her a run in low range to lock the transfer case (on dirt slowly) without any sign of a problem.

My worry is something serious is about to let go. My budget says keep on driving until it does or doesnt happen....
A trans shop said they have rarely seen an 80series transfer case with dramas, but will cost $1,500 and up for a rebuild if i remove and install it or $2k and up for them to do the lot.

Has anyone experienced or heard of similar damage and can anyone offer any much appreciated advice?
Thanks!
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Reply By: PeterInSa - Wednesday, Jul 23, 2008 at 18:23

Wednesday, Jul 23, 2008 at 18:23
I dont have an 80 Series but a late 60 series and the Transfer boxes could well be the same. The problem that I had was a main gear about 100mm in diam that fits on a spline and the teeth on the spline wore away so the spline went to a round shape and would not grip the gear.

I had no prior notice of any problems on a long trip, one morning started up from an overnight camping spot, drove out, changed gears to second while crossing the road and Crunch... could not move, try pushing a LC with a 16ft caravan in tow off the main drag between Norseman and Adelaide..Well my wife and I have.

There is an inspection plate that you can use to look into the T.Box.
Peter
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Follow Up By: Tippa - Wednesday, Jul 23, 2008 at 20:48

Wednesday, Jul 23, 2008 at 20:48
Thanks Peter, i'm about to drain the fresh oil again to check for further metal pieces on the plug and will open up the inspection plate while i'm at it. May save my wife and I pushing an 80 series with a camper trailer one day almost like you experienced :)
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Reply By: Member - 120scruiser (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 23, 2008 at 20:03

Wednesday, Jul 23, 2008 at 20:03
This looks OK Transfer case

Or this
Gearbox
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Follow Up By: Tippa - Wednesday, Jul 23, 2008 at 20:51

Wednesday, Jul 23, 2008 at 20:51
Ha ha, thanks for the links. You may very well be right and i will need to bite the bullet. I think i'd rather have my unit reconditioned knowing its history and kms rather than buy an old used one with probably far more kms on it just to have it reconditioned anyway...
Thanks again though!
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Follow Up By: ross - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:57

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:57
The rebuild price of $2k with labour sounds a little steep though
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Follow Up By: Tippa - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 20:18

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 20:18
Yeah they said $1500 and up if i give the transfer case to them. But they were just a trans shop around the corner- I didn't do any shopping around or research as i'm not really ready to fork out that sort of money at the moment... I drained the fresh oil again today after about 1000kms and it was like honey and the chip detector was totally clean.
I think i'll just keep on keeping on knowing that something has let go which hasnt affected driveability or reliability (yet) and isn't getting worse...and save pennies for a rebuild in the near future.
Cheers :)
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Reply By: 2517 - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 20:54

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 20:54
Hi I would say the case hardening has come off the main shaft, yery common in 75 and 80 series, Canberra Toyota used to do a couple a week.I would shop around for parts try Croc Parts Cairns .
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Follow Up By: Tippa - Saturday, Aug 02, 2008 at 00:03

Saturday, Aug 02, 2008 at 00:03
I thought case hardening was metal gears superheated in a high carbon atmosphere (and nitriding in a high nitrogen rich atmosphere) and both were hardening of the actual metal. So if any damage happened, it would be wearing of the outer hardened layer to expose the normal "soft" metal. So if case hardening wore thru it would leave very fine metal fuzz on the magnetic plug? This was 2mm thick chunks of iron half the size of your thumb nail... like something broke and got shredded...
Thats my understanding of hardening and it wear characteristics, but i'm no metallurgist so if what you are saying is true... case hardening wearing thru by chunks of steel/iron, then i do appreciate your advice and will get it inspected asap.
Thanks!
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