Fact or Fiction Brisbane Line and Captain Thunderbolt

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It would seem depending on which site you look at the Brisbane Line was either fact or fiction.

Irrespective which, I am interested in looking at various sites which may have been part of the Brisbane Line.

I visited the Tank Traps just north of Tenterfield recently and I hope to take the good lady out that way in a week for a week looking around the Tenterfield and Glen Innes areas.

I believe there are bunkers in the upper Clarence region does anyone know where these are? and are there any others in the area?

I will also check out the local bushranger Thunderbolt and places of interest. I have been to his hideout and cave.

So if anyone can help with locations for Brisbane Line and places of interest for Thunderbolt that would be great thanks in and around the tenterfield area.

Brian

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Reply By: Member - Footloose - Wednesday, Jul 23, 2008 at 21:09

Wednesday, Jul 23, 2008 at 21:09
Brian. AFAIK the Brisbane Line was very real. The tanktraps aren't there for nothing :))
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 07:40

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 07:40
I feel the same way Footy, but in one article I was reading there is a tour that indicates the tour of the Brisbane line. Which includes the Z force base on Fraser Is, Maheno wreck on Fraser and a Commando base at Amberley (think the air base).

I sure hoping that the wreck was just an inclusion while on Fraser and not in anyway trying to say it was part of the Brisbane Line anyway I lost interest when reading the wreck was included. Mind you was not aware of the Z force base on Fraser Is so that would be interesting to check out :)

In think the sign at the tank traps indicated it was a 2nd line of defence and some 10000 solders were stationed in the Tenterfield area. So I'm guessing there must be other things like tank traps around ie bunkers,

Mind you I cannot find where the Brisbane Line starts and finishes, but still fun looking :)

Brian
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 07:53

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 07:53
I just had another look at the tour and the wreck was just an inclusion.

Brian
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Follow Up By: Member - Footloose - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 08:12

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 08:12
The Brisbane Line is part of a small in house family argument here :))
My wife (who wasn't even born then) has never forgiven Churchill for abandoning Australia and trying to keep the 8th Division in Europe. We can laugh about it now, but it was a family thing. Her uncle was bombed at Darwin so perhaps that's where it started.
I seem to remember that there were actually several Brisbane Lines, one behind the other. Not sure of the details but yes, thousands of troops around Tenterfield.
I guess the War was a fairly fluid thing, and we'd have to ask about time frames, as this would be the key.
I was surprised to learn of around 10 000 American servicemen on the Cape during the War. I knew of some airfields etc but that's a lot of men. Obviously as the tide of war changed, more facilities and men moved north.
There seems to have been camps of several thousand men in all sorts of places, including of course at the racetrack in Brizziy.
What a different world it is these days, thank goodness.
I wonder if in the future we'll only see petrol pumps in museums ?
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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 08:53

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 08:53
Footy
I guess you know that around Mareeba was a major staging area and airforce base. Just sth of Mareeba is a site of a 'canvas' hospital with beds for thousands??
There is an excellent military museum there- supposedly the biggest private collection in the world !!

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Follow Up By: Stu & "Bob" - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 13:00

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 13:00
There is also Fort Lytton, towards the mouth of the Brisbane River.

There was an American encampment at what is now Inala, called Camp Freeman, medium bombers and fighters were stationed at Archerfield, there was an ammunition factory at Rocklea, heavy artillery based on Mt. Coot-tha, and another large military encampment at Bald Hills.

There was a dig carried out in the old Archerfield quarry in 1992, and a lot of WW2 weapons and equipment recovered. There were Thompson SMG's, Browning 50cal and 30cal machineguns and 20mm Hispano cannon. These plus the associated aircraft spares were dumped in the quarry when the aircraft were decommissioned at the end of WW2.

There was an ammunition dump just outside Helidon, which was a major replenishment facility for the whole of SWPA of operations during WW2.

In North Qld, pretty much from Mackay north was a huge military camp, with Townsville being probably the largest. Dalrymple Rd in Townsville was one of the runways for the airbase, and WW2 observation posts and fortified installations can still be seen.
The Atherton Tablelands was home to thousands of troops, and was used as a staging area for operations in New Guinea and the Middle East. Live ammunition is still being found in the area.

Rocky Creek is the site of the military hospital, there is now a memorial on the site, and some old buildings still remain. On the road from Atherton to Ravenshoe, signs have been erected to show where particular units were camped, and there are stone bakery ovens scattered throughout the scrub.

Tanks Arts Centre in Cairns was part of a refuelling depot for naval warships during WW2, and was in use until approx 1985.

There is the remains of a WW2 Radar installation just outside Mt. Surprise, and still can be viewed by visitors, but it is on private land, and permission should be sought before entering the property.

Bamaga Airport was known as "Jackey-Jackey" Airfield during WW2, and there are the remains of two aircraft that crashed nearby. The airstrip was equipped with demolition tunnels under the main runway and local defense trenches and machinegun posts. I don't know if these structures still remain, as access is restricted.

There is a book available from the Nth Qld Miner's den titled North Queensland 1942-1945 which is well worth a read as it details who was where.

I now have writers cramp........
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Reply By: burnsy - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 07:40

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 07:40
Brian there are some on the Clarence river in northern NSW on Paddy's Flat road GPS S28 43.119 E152 25.145
I'm pretty sure that's the right spot.
Mike.
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 07:54

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 07:54
Thanks for that

Brian
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Reply By: jacm - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 07:42

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 07:42
It very real - Fort Bribie was the northern end it.

cheers
JM
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Reply By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 08:00

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 08:00
Again depends on who to believe, Apparently it started North of Brisbane as you say Bribie Is and followed the Darling River to Adelaide.

Will have to visit the Fort on Bribie where is that?

Brian
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Follow Up By: jacm - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 08:06

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 08:06
It is on the northern end of Bridie Island. You can get there by driving the 20 or so K's up the beach. The place is slowly being claimed by sand.

A couple of photos on their way to your mail box

cheers
JM
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 08:11

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 08:11
Thought the Brisbane line was roughly Brisbane to Perth?
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 09:51

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 09:51
Oldplodder,

I have been reading a few things on the Brisbane line and it would seem the finish is somewhat varied lol.

one is North of Brisbane to Adelaide
2nd Brisbane to Melbourne
lastest is Brisbane a line spliting the country in half to the west coast. As you say Perth.

Brian

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Reply By: Member - Alan H (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 08:21

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 08:21
I haven't been there lately but there was a Z force camp near McKenzie jetty with a concrete 3D relief map of singapore harbour built on the ground.

From memory when coming from the beach at the old jetty it was on the right not very far inland

This was a "secret" training ground and not part of the Brsibane Line
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Reply By: Member - Graeme W (NSW) - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 09:36

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 09:36
A Royal Commission in 1943 found that the Brisbane Line did not exist. Or the wording was that it had not been part of official policy under the Menzies Govt.

These 2 links from the Australian War Memorial have more information. 2nd one is 300kb Pdf file.

Brisbane Line

The Brisbane Line-Study in Wartime Politics

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Follow Up By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 09:54

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 09:54
Thanks for that have read the first one will read the 2nd when I get a chance.

Brian
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 01:26

Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 01:26
See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brisbane_Line

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Reply By: Member -Signman - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 13:07

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 13:07
Geez mate- all I did was suggest you go home a different way !!
Looks as if it's turned into an adventure for you..with all this info you'll be exploring for the next 12 months..
Cheers (the kettle is on)...

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Follow Up By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 08:31

Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 08:31
LOL, what a few words will do, yes it was a bit of adventure and I found a couple of tracks and found even more tracks so only one thing I can do, go back :).

I hope to head back that way in the next couple of weeks feel I would have earned it with what I done on the house.

When I am back down I will call in for that cuppa thanks.

Have a nice trip as well :)

Brian
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Reply By: pmacks - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 13:18

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 13:18
G'Day Brian

If you want to research all things military and especially the Brisbane Line go to www.ozatwar.com

this site is wealth of infomation and it is easy to navigate around

Hope this helps

Peter...
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:27

Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:27
Thanks Peter what a great site.

Brian
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Reply By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 16:20

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 16:20
Hi All

My Grandfather lived in Brisbane, in a suburb called Norman Park,
his property backed on to Norman Creek, which branched off the
Brisbane River just upstream from the old New Farm Power Station,
he owned a 40 foot Cruiser with accomadation for 6-8 people,
he had it moored at his Jetty, he couldn't use the boat because of
Petrol Rationing, after the Hospital Ship was sunk off the Queensland
Coast, the Government started to panick, and the American Army
advised them to get Boats to patrol the mouth of the Brisbane
River, so they went around confiscating boats of a certain size, my
Grandfathers boat was taken for the War Effort, with out any
permission, or payment, he wasnt even allowed to Skipper it or even
be a Crew Member, in there opinion he was to old, a friend told him
about a month after it was taken, it had ran aground and was damaged
beyond repair, the Yanks were using it as a PARTY BOAT.

Cheers
Daza
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Reply By: garryk - Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 13:11

Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 13:11
G'day Brian
Here is a link to details of a old ammunition storage facility near Miles which was the main explosives store for defence of the Brisbane line
The good part is that it has been converted into a Caravan Park and tourist accomodation
There are 22 old bunkers
We have stayed there and liked it very much

http://www.possumpark.com.au/about.html



Garry
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