Deal done on new long motor.

Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 23, 2008 at 21:02
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Evening all,

Talking with Toyota was just a waste of my time as they have washed their hands of my situation,not interested at all,fine so on with the show.new long motor ordered (genuine) turbo off to be rebuilt,injector pump to be bench tested,all other gear should be OK.little worried about torque convertor bearing but all feels and looks OK still.so he should be back on the road in about a week.expensive little excercise but thats life isnt it? cheers Paul
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Reply By: donk - Wednesday, Jul 23, 2008 at 21:16

Wednesday, Jul 23, 2008 at 21:16
What was the problem in the end?

Was the crank broken?

Regards Don
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Follow Up By: TD100 - Wednesday, Jul 23, 2008 at 21:35

Wednesday, Jul 23, 2008 at 21:35
Yeh Don,

broken crank and some flogged out bearings,dont know which came first though the chicken or the egg?? too much unknown with the old donk hahaha- anyway yeh quicker and less hassle to just stick a newwie in her.cheers Paul
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Follow Up By: Member - Rotord - Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 09:24

Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 09:24
TD100

You should be able to determine which item failed first by looking at the failure characteristics of the crankshaft . Presumption is that if the shaft failed first it was due to a crack spreading over time until the shaft is so weak that the remaining metal is torn apart suddenly. This would show up on the broken face as a straight crack then a crooked tear with different grain structure on the cracked and torn portions . If the bearing failed first and overloaded the crank the shaft is simply torn apart with no sign of cracking first . An engineer in a metals testing lab would pick this by a quick look if it isn't obviouse to you . If you are a member of the RAC , their engineering expertise should be available to you .

Regards
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Reply By: Stephen M (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 23, 2008 at 22:18

Wednesday, Jul 23, 2008 at 22:18
Sounds like the days of the early 80 series T/D's Not a good thing. They had a recall on some of the 80 series due to a bad batch of bearings. Hope history is not repeating itself ????? Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 07:05

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 07:05
Hi TD100, Can you please tell me the total km, what oil you use and how often you change it?

Please note, I am not suggesting any wrong doing, I am just interested in the statistics regarding what happens to big ends in some motors with certain types of oil.

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Follow Up By: TD100 - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 18:55

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 18:55
KK,

she had done 61620, peak global diesel and every 5k. in most peoples opinions 5k oil & filter changes with todays oils is too often but i have done this on all my vehicles for more than 20 years.this particular diesel oil i have used in various type diesels and never an issue nor looking at this motor was not caused by oil brand,have yet to take caps off and see if i can maybe a spun bearing caused it. the bearings that are flogged are almost hanging out so i might not get anything off them.if any one thinks that this oil shold not be used in a toyota diesel let me know and i will look at another brand.as stated it has done 61k on it and the motor is clean as clean inside. cheers Paul
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 20:18

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 20:18
TD100, send me an email address and I will send you some info on oils that you may find interesting.

You can reach me at - nzrees@yahoo.com
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Reply By: Worm73 - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 17:30

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 17:30
Hi Paul mate read your first post the other day and nearly fell off my chair. Now I read that the crank is broken god damn. I think you must have run over a black cat somewhere at the start of your trip. What year is your 100 series? How many kms has it done?. I have been a Diesel mechanic for 19 years and have come across quite a few broken cranks in my time on all sorts and sizes of engines. Unless you were purposely thrashing the engine causing excessive torsional vibration and excessive loads its hard to see why the crank would have broken sounds like a weak spot in the crank to me! You have me worried now I have a 2004 TD 100 series Auto with 50,000km on the clock and next year will be heading around Aus with a 21 foot caravan in tow bloody hope I don't have to budget in a new long motor somewhere along the road.

Cheers and Good Luck
Brad
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Follow Up By: TD100 - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 18:47

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 18:47
Worm73,

2003 model, 61620km exactly,was cruising along nicely at 100 when it let go causing the car to sidestep then few seconds later the rattles and clatters started.as for abuse-- no way.i look after it really well. it needs to get us around oz and tow our 19' van. just one of those things i guess. cheers Paul
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Reply By: Pnut (cns) - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 21:10

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 21:10
TD100
As you say , that's life.
Despite your drama's, it's refreshing to see that you are not making too big a deal out of it - does help to keep the stress levels down, and I commend you for this approach. I certainly would find it hard not to persue it further with Toyota, which leads me to this.
Having said that Toyota don't want a bar of it, is surprising, & it begs the question - why?
a 2003 LC100 with 61k on it would be viewed by anyone reading this, as not even run in, and a highly sought after model to have (just look at what the market says they are worth).
To have one drop it's bundle like this, would surely deem it "Not fit for purpose" (mention that phrase to Mr head office toyota, and you may get a different reaction?)

It would be easy to draw comparisons to early GU's zd30. nissan came to the party on a lot of failures here with more k's, and some outside the 3 year warranty period, however it was a known problem to nissan, that was gaining widespread public knowledge,whereas toyota are probably putting this down to a one off, with the attitude of "he was probably flogging the guts out of it - too bad - out of warranty" . even though, as you say above, you kept the vehicle well maintained, and drove normally.

At least you don't seemed too stressed over it, but in summary, this vehicle - worth ~$65k new, and still worth 80% of that now, is clearly "Not fit for purpose" in terms of you would you were sold.

At least you'll be on the road soon - enjoy the break (no pun intended)

cheers
Mark

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Follow Up By: TD100 - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 21:33

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 21:33
Mark,

initially i flipped when i found out what happened and how i was treated by toyota,but settled,car is no good to me with a buggered motor so fix it. it will set me back a bit money wise but my family is safe and well,after all i can replace the motor but not them,thats how i see it anyway.cheers Paul
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Reply By: Pnut (cns) - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 21:39

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 21:39
Paul
Spot on mate!
Many would not settle down, and go in guns blazing, all stressed out & angry. At least you're all safe, and you've kept your sanity

cheers
mark
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Follow Up By: Pnut (cns) - Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 21:40

Thursday, Jul 24, 2008 at 21:40
that was supposed to be a follow-up to the above - oh well - stiff s#it!!
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:32

Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:32
Paul,

I would suggest you lodge a claim at The Small Claims Tribunal or VCAT or whatever it is depending on where you live.

Cost you about $30. No lawyers allowed. No risk of getting coosts awarded against you. The fact that it is out of warranty is immaterial.

Jim.

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