Follow Up to Beware - Kids on Tour

Submitted: Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:32
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Well, I'm back. The kids had a good time and so did I but it did raise some interesting points about going outback with a large group of students who would be under canvas every night and I'd like to express some of these here. I don't know what the policy of this site is but I will name the places we stayed at and give my honest opinion. I was somewhat surprised at the lack of services we were provided in some places onsidering that we had booked 12 months in advance and that we had primary aged children with us who required a little more consideration (but not much) in regard to facilities - especially showers, toilets and space.

Mitchell - Major Mitchell Caravan Park. The guys there were very friendly, gave us all the space they could and alerted campers of our arrival. One couple took off as soon as they saw us but the rest stayed in the vicinity and complimented us on out students behaviour and manners (this theme was to be repeated everywhere we stayed). Amenities were handy for the children to use. We couldn't have expected much more.

Longreach - Gunnadoo Caravan Park (the name will change soon). 2 nights
This was easily the best place we stayed. We had our own little corner of the park, close to amenities with plenty of room to pitch tents and an under cover facility to eat and meet. Full marks to the staff and the park for providing us with this. I recommend it highly.

Winton - Matilda Van Park (2 nights). A little more congested than Gunnadoo but the site was still OK and facilities were adequate enough. The alternatives do not bear thinking about.

Emerald - Emerald Cabin and Caravan Village. Ian (owners name), you should be ashamed of yourself for putting young children in such an invidious position just to make a few extra bucks. Shysters like you should not be in the business. We booked 12 months in advance and you had plenty of time to prepare yet you still:

- put us, with our 45 tents, in a space designated for no more than 20 yet you
- charged us for 45 tents
- put us a long way from amenities
- made us use keys for those amenities
- put us on ground that was so rutted that if it had rained as predicted there would have been some very wet children
- put other campers on site before we arrived forcing us to pitch our tents around them
- put us on a site with no lighting so we pitched camp in complete darkness.

And do you remember last year Ian when we were put on a site that contained broken glass that you knew about? We will be writing to you Ian asking you to explain your execrable actions.

And furthermore Ian. When the grey nomads restrict their travels due to very high fuel prices (or decide to bush camp instead) you might regret your actions in discouraging us and others like us from returning. WE won't be back! Think about the number of potential travellers reading this on this site (and three others I will post it on) and feel the shame as some who know you personally peruse this.

Yeppoon - Cool Waters Holiday Village 2 nights. The site was ideal for dry weather but rain made a difference and made camping a bit uncomfortable. Thank you for letting us use your rec hall for those flooded out on the second night to sleep in. While there was plenty of space for tents we did struggle a bit for undercover eating but got through it OK. The students proved their resilience on this, the final site on the journey. We will book your dorms for next year to give the kids a restful finish to the tour.

Kanagroo Bus Lines organised this tour for us and I can't praise them highly enough. Their flexibility, willingness to consult and the positive way they interacted with our students was top class. We were vey well fed (I need to lose some kilos after this) and you handled those unexpected glitches that occur on all tours very competently and professionally. Full marks to Jan, Ellie Mark and Russell - hope to see you next year.

All in all this was great tour, despite the rain at the end. I'd welcome your views on what you think is relevant about taking students on a tour of the bush and outback.
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Reply By: Member - Jack - Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:56

Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:56
All up it sounded like a good trip, bar the one unfortunate glitch. I will put that place on my bNot To Visit list as a measure of support.

I accompanied my wife (a teacher) and 35 kids on a trip from the Central coast up through the middle of Australia a few years ago. The kids were terrific the whole time, well behaved, and no trouble. The camp places we stayed at along the way were also well prepared for our arrival and the trip went like clockwork.

In Darwin we had all set up camp when some old f*rt came over and started lecturing everyone within earshot about how much trouble he would cause if he "heard a peep out of any of ya's". The teachers accompanying the kids spoke with him and tried to allay his fears, but he went on and on...and on... and on ...

Later in the loo a couple of "likely lads" commented on how well behaved the kids were, and apologised for the behaviour of the old f*rt.

A little later into the night we heard a small ruckus, and found out the next day someone had given him a bit of a "touch up". Nobody from our group, I hasten to add.

So ... sometimes we can "protesteth too much", and there coulod be someone around who takes exception.

Glad your trip was a good one. After my trip I bought a 4WD so that I could go back. It was terrific.

Cheers
Jack
The hurrieder I go, the behinder I get. (Lewis Carroll-Alice In Wonderland)

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Reply By: Desertrose - Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 13:11

Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 13:11
I think it's a fantastic thing that both of you have done, in bringing the opportunity for kids to experience something that perhaps fewer and fewer families can afford these days.
Lets hope these experiences encourage our young people to have a greater appreciation for our amazing country.
I can't understand some peoples attitudes towards children...after all, like they say, they are our future.
It seems that teachers are pretty picky too about which kids get to go on out of school camps etc - with my own kids camps they have seemed to be really tough on those with unacceptable behaviour issues prior to any camp, and whilst ON camp.
People should lighten up a little I think - and try and remember what it was like when THEY were kids.
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Reply By: Member - Footloose - Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 13:50

Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 13:50
Catering for large groups of "schoolies" can be profitable, but it requires resources and expertise beyond some places.
I understand your anger, but perhaps a quiet word of advice about how things should have gone might be preferable ?

There's a right way and a wrong way with catering for kids. Some people just have to have it pointed out to them. The she'll be right attitude while taking your money just isn't good enough. It short changes the attending staff, the children and the parents. And, as you pointed out, it is usually counter productive in the long term.

As for the campers who up and left when they saw your group, perhaps they were ex teachers looking for some peace and quiet? :))

Congratulations on helping to provide an experience which will last the children a lifetime.

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Reply By: RalfR - Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 16:39

Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 16:39
And in the interests of fairness, Ian should be notified of this post immediately so that he can either offer a response (as every teacher knows, there are always two sides to a story), or contact his solicitor.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Holden4th - Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 17:48

Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 17:48
My response to him has already been sent - in the interest of fairness. it is in writing (not e-mail).
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Follow Up By: RalfR - Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 21:38

Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 21:38
I was referring to the fact the you have called this person a Shyster in a public forum, and that you have clearly identified his name, location and business. Has THAT information been forwarded to him??
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Follow Up By: Holden4th - Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 22:17

Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 22:17
Am I under any obligation to do so - and please don't quote moral grounds. I've made it quite clear in my letter my intention to post this on the internet. He is welcome to defend my accusations!
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Follow Up By: RalfR - Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 23:28

Friday, Jul 25, 2008 at 23:28
Only you can judge whether you're obliged to or not. Here's his email address eccv1@bigpond.net.au Just cut and paste the whole page and send it off, won't take but a minute if you're inclined to do so. In your letter to him, did you indicate at any stage that you would be referring to him as a shyster??
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Reply By: deserter - Saturday, Jul 26, 2008 at 07:40

Saturday, Jul 26, 2008 at 07:40
Well he is on my "don't visit" list.
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Reply By: happytravelers - Saturday, Jul 26, 2008 at 11:48

Saturday, Jul 26, 2008 at 11:48
I too stayed at that park in Emerald a couple of years ago and found that we were jamned in like Sardines.
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