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Letter to the editor in the latest Aust 4WD Action -

"I only know two people who've bought a 200 Series and both have the same problem.

One guy has had cargo drawers made up, a long range tank and a 110 litre Waeco in the back. The first time he loaded up, the dash lit up with suspension problems. He took it to Toyota and they told him to take the drawers and the long range tank out as they exceeded the weight capabilities of the vehicle. I'm thinking it's just because they weren't Toyota genuine parts.

Dell, my other friend, has just purchased a new Sahara to tow their five year old, 25 ft Jayco Heritage. Again, lights came up on the dash when the van was hooked up and the family was in the car. Toyota's solution was to sell them a Yaris hatchback for the wife and kids while he drives the Cruiser hooked up to the van."
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Reply By: Member - Matthew C - Monday, Jul 28, 2008 at 23:55

Monday, Jul 28, 2008 at 23:55
Ive heard the same "stories".

Doesn't look good ey.
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Follow Up By: Ranger75 - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:44

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:44
It's pretty ordinary of the mag to go ahead and print this "letter" from a reader.
Someone at Toyota who must remain nameless, was approached about this issue and asked for comment prior to the article being published.
They declined to respond and so the magazine went ahead.

No dealer has any records of the "Yaris" sale under these conditions.
Oh, and the suspension system/body ECU does not respond in this way to load.

I'm afraid this mag. may have been caught out telling porkies.
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Reply By: Ianw - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:04

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:04
The moral of the story?

Dont buy a car to do the job of a UTE!!!

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Follow Up By: Rosco - Qld - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:12

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:12
Forget about a "UTE" ... it doesn't ring true. Surely they can carry more than a bags of shopping goodies.
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Follow Up By: Ianw - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:31

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:31
I can put 800Kgs in the back and tow a 3 tonne van and still be legal!!
Cant do that with a Toorak Tractor!

Ian
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Follow Up By: KennyBWilson - Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:31

Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:31
Yes but there are a lot of families Hubby and Wife with 2 ½ kids that also would like to tag along to places . Having a Kimbwely camper with 170 kgs on draw bar also doesn't help either
Ianw whats the weight on your draw bar and what type of 4by have you got
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Follow Up By: Ianw - Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 at 18:39

Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 at 18:39
Kenny

I have a Nissan Navara STR Dual cab (5 seater) Towing a 2 tonne van with about 200 kgs on the towbar. Payload is 1025Kgs.
Get about 14lt/100k while towing.

Ian
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:11

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:11
I thought the Nissan 3.0TD doomsayers were bad - seems they have started on the 200 series now!!!

Now if only the 200 series had dash lights for the rear suspension then they "might" be some basis. However, all 200 series models have steel springs (ie. no air suspension) with no sensors back to the dash so the problem is running a little short on facts unfortunately.

Surprises me such a story would be published by such a reputable magazine when some simple facts are so easily checked!

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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:13

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:13
Agreed Captain.

I've just about given up commenting on these sorts of posts.

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Follow Up By: Vivid Adventures - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:15

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:15
I recall hearing a similar story with 100 series Saharas which I could believe.
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Follow Up By: Member - Matthew C - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:32

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:32
So have you done the overload test on your current 200's to any avail???

One does wonder about the ligitimacy of the report.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:34

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:34
Reputable Magazine????
Thats the issue isn't it??
None of these 4wd mags are reputable!!
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 01:09

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 01:09
John

They just published a letter from a reader - It was not a statement from editorial staff

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 01:46

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 01:46
Peter the issue remains with the 4wd magazines that they are obviously biased in their content to those that sign the biggest advertising deal.

The credibility of any publisher is supported by the facts of the content they publish, regardless of its source.

In this case the content they published is not supported (debunked by 200 series owners on this forum) so all they did was propagate an unsubstantiated claim.
Any magazine editor (particularly a 4wd magazine editor) should have been able to easily vet the letter and confirm the claims made about the vehicle before publishing the claim.

It just goes to show that as a 4wd magazine they know $hit about the vehicles they write about.
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Follow Up By: Zebra400 - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 04:05

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 04:05
John

You dont have to worry with your Troopy. From what I hear, it doesn't go off road any more. May as well take the drawers out & save some fuel!!
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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 07:06

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 07:06
Surely this comment should have raised alarm bells in the Magazine.

"Dell, my other friend, has just purchased a new Sahara to tow their five year old, 25 ft Jayco Heritage. Again, lights came up on the dash when the van was hooked up and the family was in the car. Toyota's solution was to sell them a Yaris hatchback for the wife and kids while he drives the Cruiser hooked up to the van."

So a guy supposedly spends $115K on a new Landcruiser, it won't hold about 200kg of tow weight so he happily spends another $20K on a Yaris so his family can drive on holidays with him. A YARIS!!!! I hope Toyota threw in 2 CB's so he could talk to his family on while holidays.

What absolute drivel.
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Reply By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:51

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:51
Just reading western 4wdriver and it is in there too....page 14..".a gvm upgrade is now avaliable from K&N to take the 200 series from 3300kg to 3600kg......"
"An engineered spring replacement to increase load capacity while maintaining the standard handling and clearance...."
goes on to say......." Mark Shue of K&N 4WD say the boys at vehicle licensing are well aware of the load limitations of the 200 series and intend to crack down on vehilcles that are obviously over the limit and not sporting the GVM upgrade....."

Grab a mag and read it for yourself Boys and they even give you a phone number to call...(08) 94564480...K&N Canning Vale
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:54

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:54
Oh, by the way, the upgrade requires a ADDITIONAL COMPLIANCE PLATE as well.....just sucks eh!!!!
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Follow Up By: Peter 2 - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 06:03

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 06:03
with the additional compliance plate your vehicle then becomes a "modified vehicle", you may then find that your insurer no longer wants to know you or take your business.
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Follow Up By: Hairs (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 06:22

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 06:22
Beat me to it.
I thinking the same thing Peter,
Insurance company's would have to have issues with it.
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Follow Up By: Hairs (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 06:26

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 06:26
This server problem is driving me nuts :(((
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Follow Up By: Waynepd (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 07:41

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 07:41
Nasty Stutter there hairs LOL
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Follow Up By: Waynepd (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 07:42

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 07:42
I find if you refresh the page instead of re-sending it works ok
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Follow Up By: Hairs (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 08:04

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 08:04
A Stutter,
Wayne, I'm waiting for Goldie to tell everybody that I've been drinking again, Burp! Excuse me ;-) That was coffee.

Though I had clicked the refresh button on F/F cause the screen went blank for about 40 odd seconds.

Not to worry, whats the piont of it all if you can't have a Laugh.

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Follow Up By: Waynepd (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 08:25

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 08:25
yep exactly right jon.
start the day with a laugh and the rest flows on from there...:))
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Follow Up By: Member - Dick (Int) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:29

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:29
Re the comment about the GVM increase and Insurance, I guess it depends on the Insurance company you use.

I have two vehicles with increased GVM, both approved by the RTA and accepted by my insurer on the basis that the vehicle is legal so it is OK with them.

BTW, I do not have any additional Compliance Plate, only the Engineers Certificate and the Registration Certificate showing the increased GVM.

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Follow Up By: ross - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:30

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:30
Lots of vehicles,including the government, have the uprated suspension and insurance is not a problem if it fitted by someone certified and it has the offical plate attached.
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Follow Up By: Member - Dick (Int) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:30

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:30
Re the comment about the GVM increase and Insurance, I guess it depends on the Insurance company you use.

I have two vehicles with increased GVM, both approved by the RTA and accepted by my insurer on the basis that the vehicle is legal so it is OK with them.

BTW, I do not have any additional Compliance Plate, only the Engineers Certificate and the Registration Certificate showing the increased GVM.

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Follow Up By: Member - Dick (Int) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:33

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:33
This B------ Server is bad this morning. Sorry for the double post.
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Reply By: Member Brian (Gold Coast) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 09:48

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 09:48
You all know the "First-Rule-Of-Journalism" don't you??



Never Let The Truth Get In The Way Of A Good Story!




Cheers


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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:37

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:37
Simply adjust the switch under the vehicle that turns the idiot light on the dash to suit the load.... How hard can that be??? Its simply there to let you know the vehicle is loaded to what they deem to be maximum. Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:31

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:31
And um... where is this switch??? If only it had one!

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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:14

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:14
It must be under the rear axle somewhere.. most modern vehicles have a switch setup for load and braking purposes so it may be simillar to that!! It must have something , or a sensor, a murcury switch, i dounno, have a look !! Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:37

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:37
Hi Michael,

The point I was trying to make is that there is no dash idiot light on a 200 series for "overloading". it is likely though there is a proportioning valve for braking distribution, but this doesn't show anywhere as an idiot light.

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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:54

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:54
Michael there is no switch or indicator, buzzer, door bell, fog horn, beeper, cow bell, farting noise, flashing light, burping, groaning or any other similar warning device for suspension overload on a 200 series. Even though I won't take your fantastic, if ill informed advice to go look for one that is supposedly there. Have you seen one?

There in no other explaination than the person who wrote that letter who has 2 mates with overload dash lights, made it up.



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Follow Up By: Member - Bob of KAOS - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 13:59

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 13:59
"there is no switch or indicator, buzzer, door bell, fog horn, beeper, cow bell, farting noise, flashing light, burping, groaning or any other similar warning device for suspension overload on a 200 series"

just the noise of the underslung spare wheel abrading the bitumen
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 20:24

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 20:24
Well there you go!! I dont really care if Toyotas have that feature or not, somehow it wouldnt surprise me... In fact i have absolutely no interest in Toyotas at all, i was merely saying if that was the case, adjust or modify it instead of bitching about it. Its not a matter of getting sucked in, i was just making a suggestion. I may i n fact write to Toyota and suggest that feature. Something else to break down on the corrugations.... LOL!! Michael
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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Wednesday, Jul 30, 2008 at 09:38

Wednesday, Jul 30, 2008 at 09:38
Michael said
".....i was merely saying if that was the case, adjust or modify it instead of bitching about it.

Boy for someone who has no interest in Toyotas your suggestion of "if it was the case" is pretty strong.

"It must have something , or a sensor, a murcury switch, i dounno, have a look !! Michael"

and

"It must be under the rear axle somewhere.. most modern vehicles have a switch setup for load and braking purposes so it may be simillar to that!!

and

"Simply adjust the switch under the vehicle that turns the idiot light on the dash to suit the load.... How hard can that be??? Its simply there to let you know the vehicle is loaded to what they deem to be maximum. Michael"

I don't get it. Help me understand please. If you have no interest in Toyotas, why do you tell people what to do, on threads that you have no knowledge or interest in?


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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 30, 2008 at 20:55

Wednesday, Jul 30, 2008 at 20:55
Gday BooBooK2, (a Christian name would put a human element to my reply)
What's your point?? I actually only read the initial post which spoke about a load problem, i guess if i had read further i would have see the post for what it was, a set up! So you "don't get it" and you want me to help you understand why i tell people what to do... Well i wasn't actually telling people what to do, i was merely suggesting that if the so called problem there, there would be a way to fix it.. "there is always another way" !!!
I have been on this Forum for a number of years mostly as a member. I believe i have contributed to many posts in a positive way in that time and i have also learnt many things from others as well. You seem are happy to critisize others on the forum and demanding answers without actually contributing anything positive to the forum yourself.
I have a reasonable 4x4, i use it often, I have just returned from the second South Australian gathering which takes time, preparation and hard earned money to do so. I use my Christian name, show where i live, and my profile can tell as little or as much about me as i choose.
On the other hand, we know nothing about you but you seem to be happy to hide in the dark and require answers from others.. Why don't you put your cards on the table, become a member, show us who you are and what you are about and start contributing to the forum.. Then my visions of a 12 yo with a push bike, sitting on the family computer may disappear!! Michael
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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 at 07:10

Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 at 07:10
go read your posts again.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:05

Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:05
Boo Boo K2
I read my post Again! I also read your replies in the post again.. I simply replied to a post , not realising it was a spoof, you butted in and told me quote " Even though i wont take your ill informed advice and go look for one that is supposedly there!! Have you seen one?".. What kind of comment is that?? I wasnt replying to you!!!

And no i had not actually seen one. In fact i have only seen a 200 series from 20 metres. I merely said that if there was something that sensed load, there must be a sensor. That would make sense , wouldn't it.. I was commenting on the post in good faith and you are the one who attacked me I actually didn't respond to your reply in the post. As i said, its easy to be a non member , stay invisible and snipe from the side.. Maybe you should find the ABC site, there is plenty of free games to play on that site.. Michael
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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:10

Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:10
The point with your posts is that for some reason you talk down or insult every poster you refer to in a superior tone despite the fact that you know nothing about the poster or this subject. Re-read you posts in that light.

Very good, you call me a 12yo and then make up names. ( who is the child?) Anyway stick and stones.....

Nuff said

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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:21

Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:21
You obviously dont know me. and your assesment of my posts are wrong. But we shall agree to disagree. Have a good day!! Michael.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:07

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:07
I find this extremely amusing for so many reasons. The publication itself has a history of doing this. They are the culprits here. Do not believe everything you read has been around a bleep in long time and guess what, it still goes.!

Any bleep in vehicle can be overloaded, you see them driving by every day.

Blah Blah Blah...!
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:46

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:46
Gday,

Yeah Im with you.....
I just passed one coming home from town.
I reakon there was about 12 adults, 5 kids, 9 dogs and the back was loaded up with grog. Buggered if I could see any light on the dash saying it was overloaded?
And a Yaris sure as $hiit wouldnt have solved their problem????

LOL
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Reply By: Boobook2 - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 13:07

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 13:07
Ok my mates with a 200

"Letter to the editor in the latest Aust 4WD Action -

"I only know two people who've bought a 200 Series and both have problems.

One guy parks his 200 in a 56 story office block in the city. He put a genuine toyota roof rack on it and it was higher than 1.9m that was in the brochure. It wouldn't fit in the car park which was 1.91m. He took it back to Toyota and they suggested that he raised the entire office block by 300mm which he did.

The other friend wanted a Sahara and the first time he went to put diesel in it it only took 93l. But he wanted a larger tank. Toyota suggested he gets a B Double tanker to carry 180,000l which he did.

Nup I tried buyt these are no more rediculas than the original letter.


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Reply By: Ron173 - Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:00

Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:00
Oh dear..... what a feeling!
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