Blue Mud Bay decision by High Court

Thanks for the update Willem.
What a croc of chit!!
This may just go a long way to destoying the tourist market for the top end!
There are already good fishing reg's in place. What will this achieve?
Cheers Lyndon

Yet another wedge driven between people who are, essentially, all Australians.

IMHO it does not do much to encourage reconciliation.

It will surely encourage resentment.

Perplexed.

I wonder why a land claim on Canberra hasn't been successful ?

Hi Willem

Please dont think that my reply to your Thread is by any means
Malicious, I have often wondered if any other Nation had Discovered
and settled in Australia, instead of the British, and over the years
the whole of the Continent was settled by those particular people,
what would be the out come today, Would they have treated the
Original Inhabitants in a more Humane way, or treated them worse,
it seems that in some things, we are learning by our Mistakes of the
past, and acknowledging where we have gone wrong, but how far
do we as a Nation have to go, My family was lucky enough to have
been involved with that great lady who went by the name of
Kath Walker, the Aboriginal Poet,who lived on North Stradbroke
Island, I was only a Kid at the time, and we used to spend a great deal of time as her Guests, and she used to say we dont need your Charity we only need your Understanding.

Cheers
Daza

Gday Willem,
I thought we were supposed to be making things equal...not drawing an even bigger line down the middle?
It Ill do more damage than good I reckon.

Cheers

my thoughts are that 'aboriginal' land should be recognised , but still be able to be shared for everyone to enjoy, 'cause thats what its for -enjoying

Hiya Guys

The white man wants to lay clay to everything he set's foot on and more,Why shouldn't the ORIGINAL inhabitants hav a right to it ????...

Noticed the Maori hav been awarded a bleep load of forest back after being screwed at the The Treaty of Waitangi...Oh and hav a guess by who !



Cheers

Good luck to them all.
Perhaps we should give the whole lot back and just leave?
Have neighbours who had friends move overseas (i wont say where as will start a big debate) and they say they are much happier than they were with the way it is now in Australia. They neighbours are now selling their property and also shifting over seas.
I think people loose their conection with reality when they are removed from the basics in life, where they never do it hard, they have a guaranteed income, are not exposed to a punch in the nose if they get too stupid. they become so embraced in their own self importance and the addiction of power. Plus they are "the untouchables" living away from the people they affect with their decisions that do so much damageand.
I have met some great aboriginals and recon they are a great asset.
Obviously their are some bad examples too, but plenty of white fella's also no good.
I remember being in NZ and seeing how well the whites and the Maori got on every where, but that was when land rights was just hotting up and even the Maori that i spoke to were against it as it would benifit few and they said it was driving a wedge between them and the whites.
So where is the motivation? Well i wonder who will own the companies that will do the deals with the locals to run this land?
mmmmmmmmm In effect, giving out the land rigts is like giving it to themselfs
Simple realy.
GN

I got totally bleep off when people came on my land to go fishing. If they asked first and cleaned up after themselves I had no problem, if they just walked on and left a mess I got upset.

I see no problem with the owners of the land having rights to say who comes on and how they behave while they are there.

Would you mind if I camped in your backyard without asking first?

Why shouldn't the original inhabitants have title to and control of lands that they have occupied, in some cases more than 20,000 yrs up to 40,000+ yrs.
White settlement occurred just over 200 yrs ago and their philosophy was 'claim it for the Crown'. Perhaps what we are seeing now is common sense and justice prevailing and simply restoring rights to those who can prove 'ownership'. Get over it as I'm sure there will still be plenty of fishing locations available for those inclined that way.

I think some of the comments here could possibly be summed up as "I want to be able to go wherever I want whenever I want and no one is going to tell me what to do"

I personally find this a very selfish and narrow point of view, I expect this kind of thinking from a child up to about the age of 5 but after that I would expect that they would learn that other people have rights and emotions as well and we need to respect them.

We may or may not be happy with the decision it was never going to please everyone I think the important thing is to recognise that a decision has been made and agreed to so we learn to live with it.

My bet is the sky will not fall just yet.

This decision matters little, the entire situation in the territory has been well out of control for a long time. One example i will make here.
If you Contact the northern land council today and ask for a permit to traverse from gove(nhullunbuy) to jabiru, going through or not many of the towns ramingining, openelli, maningra etc (basically to travel across Norther territories northern coast) it is impossible, no such permit exists, you CANNOT TRAVERSE THE NORTHERN COAST !!!
It is a distance of some 500klms of northern territory coastline, that as a non indiginous white Australian you will NEVER be allowed to visit, this is a FACT AT PRESENT! You cannot even go to Ramingining to see art unless you have organised it with the art centre and have paid accomodation prior to permit application & absolutely no camping !!! FACT
All other communities work the basically the same, and definately if you just wish to travel through this region to see our beautiful Australia it is a %100 percent NO answer ! Even if you pose as an art dealer your only access granted is by chartered flight ! no vehicular access !!

I am a proud Australia, im not racist, I am of ethnic origin, I am willing to pay for the right to see this coast and i have been refused access, my taxes have been used to grade the roads up there that im not allowed to use, I wont go into the benefits/non benefits these people have but to say the roads are only for the indigenous inhabitants of the region! Sorry no entry for me, WTF !!

Im not asking for any of you here to believe me out right, try the system for yourselves !! when knocked back, complain!!, inform the media & our govenment representatives ! let regular Australians know the real situation.

There is a communist state well and alive within our own country, and we have to correct this situation and bring equality back for each and every Australian, Indigenous or not.

Whinge, Whinge, F@cken Whinge. Life must be pretty sad to worry about pissy little things like that. Remember back in the days when the Aboriginals werent even allowed to come into town, well i guess thats how you feel now. bleep en put tall the negative and racist bull bleep behind you and think about the real facts instead of the brain dead excuses you use. Aboriginal people have lived here for bloody 40,000 years and in the last 200 there world has been tipped upside down and turned inside out. They need time to adapt to these changes and it could take another fifty years but it will happen. Lets just do play our part in living together and reconciling, and let the rest unfold to a better Australia. Everyone should know that in the past we have had it way too easy, now they are have started making a stand for themselves to gain proper recognition.

And no i dont believe in not being allowed on certain property, unless it is of strong cultural significance. But i bet if you were found on a pastoral property up north here, i dont believe the station owner would be too easy on you. Look at El Questro by there rules you need a permit to travel from the Wyndham end of the Gibb River Road to the Pentecost River, and also need to pay camping fees if you wanna camp along there. How full of sh*t is that. The government maintains that road yet they cash in on it.

There is a massive gap between what is law and what is actually occuring, I see no difference if you took the gold coast shire council (whatever its called) an imposed a supposed permit system there, reality being that no other Australians can enter because we are not goldcoastians or(traverse through) sounds as if you would probably enjoy this Doug ! even though the facilites have been paid by all Australians.

Perhaps we should call Arnhem, Australia 2 they can have their council, govenment, immigration system, twenty foot high walls and machine gun sentries. Oh I forgot this is already nearly the case, there is an invisible fence running around Arnhem a pristine part of australia that blocks me out because of my race, even if it doesnt state this in black and white, this is the case !!

Guys
Lots of passion in this but if the bad language (and implied bad language) does not stop now I will be forced to remove the offending posts.
I am sorry but If I have to remove one I will have to remove all to be fair.

I am getting complaints from other readers.

Technically I don't have to justify or explain, but this is as fair as I can be.

so be good!!

Kerry W