The diesel /petrol question

Submitted: Sunday, Aug 03, 2008 at 22:52
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Think of the extra cost to purchase a 4WD with a diesel engine, the extra cost of maintenance and parts ( ie electronic injector around $1500 each and most have at least 4 )...oils filters etc etc and we have to pay an extra 20 to 30 cents per litre for diesel fuel.

The question you have to ask is " should we be considering petrol/gas instead??????"

The overall cost must be a lot less when you do the numbers....is it just a diesel thing that we are "chained to".

Are we kidding ourselves and is it time to have this debate???
That we need to change or perish???

Everytime I pass a garage, it is up there in large numbers...the extra we have to pay...not just for the fuel but for all that is owning a diesel????

What are your thoughts...or have you too being seeing what I see and wonder if we are being had big time?
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Reply By: SPRINT-GTO - Sunday, Aug 03, 2008 at 22:59

Sunday, Aug 03, 2008 at 22:59
Although diesel is much dearer than unleaded petrol you go a helluva lot further on a litre of diesel than a litre of petrol!!!
Just keep telling yourself this!!!
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Reply By: Off-track - Sunday, Aug 03, 2008 at 23:17

Sunday, Aug 03, 2008 at 23:17
There's plenty of threads about this...
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Follow Up By: brentos - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 10:40

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 10:40
there is plenty of threads on everything, this forum would be dead if it wasnt for questions being asked,don't read em if it doesnt interest you

regards
Brentos
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Reply By: puttputt - Sunday, Aug 03, 2008 at 23:20

Sunday, Aug 03, 2008 at 23:20
I previously had a Prado V6 120 5 spd auto, wonderful to drive, but the fuel gauge dropped like a lead brick and I used to drive holding my breath. Now I have a Prado d4d t/diesel 6spd manual, I am much more relaxed driving it as the fuel guage never seems to move, 2000 km on 180 litre tanks. Bugger the rest, I now enjoy my relaxed drive !!!
I love the manual 6 spd, the diesel has huge torque, meaning hardly needs gearchange, although I like a manual, the 5 spd auto was great but not my cup of tea.

Cheers

puttputt
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Reply By: puttputt - Sunday, Aug 03, 2008 at 23:22

Sunday, Aug 03, 2008 at 23:22
Just my point of view, previous threads have previous points of view, new threads have fresh points of view
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Reply By: ozwasp - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 00:36

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 00:36
Hi

I'm probably going to cop some abuse, but it really depends what you want to do.

If you tow or live in the sand dunes, then diesel is the way to go.

If you're driving around town mainly and want to keep up with traffic without producing black clouds, then get a petrol and stick it on gas - Just ensure you have a LPG compliant motor, as you may be up for an expensive head rebuild 20,000km down the track.

I've got a petrol hilux on LPG and it's great for what I want. Although I had a head rebuild for an unrelated event, it now costs half as much to run on gas than petrol. I usually run petrol about 20% of the time when just going to the shop or while the motor is warming up.

There is now a diesel/LPG conversion that can be done, so this brings in the best of both worlds. Just read up about anything first though.

Cheers, Will.
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Follow Up By: hl - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 06:58

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 06:58
Well... if you're driving a lot around town, a diesel will really shine!
Petrol motors vary by as much as 60% in fuel consumption for city/hwy, diesels don't vary much at all.
As for black smoke, you won't see any in the newer engines.
Injectors are very expensive, but can be expected to last at least 150,000, that's about 10 years for the average driver.
Running costs are probably very similar, new diesels don't need 5000km oil changes.
But the biggest advantage really is range, most diesels will do close 1000k on a load of fuel with their standard tanks and some (Prado) a lot more, as mentioned in another post.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: RosscoH - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 07:14

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 07:14
And it's always a deisel you see pulling the drowned petrol's out of the water, been there done that, deisel is so far ahead of petrol there is no comparison, if you are worried about service cost then maybe 4wd ing is not for you or your budget.
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Reply By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 07:42

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 07:42
This is somewhat like a Holden V Ford debate ;-) You'll never get a diesel driver to change their mind.. LOL

I've been reading the threads lately about people just back from their winter break, "did 8-10 thousand K's and spent 3-4 thousand dollars on diesel..." OUCH!!

Well, I just got back from MY winter break. Did just over 7000K in my duel fuel Paj, most of it on LPG, for a cost of approx $1200 in fuel. I know which bill I'd sooner be paying ;-)
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 19:15

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 19:15
$4,000 for 10,000Km, that's worse than 20L per 100. Not many diesels in tune use that much!
The problem comparing statistics like this is even if they are true one can make them favour any argument you like. Unless your trip John was on the same route, at the same speed, towing or carrying the same weight in a similar vehicle refueling at the same petrol stations then the comparison is pretty pointless.
At the moment & quite likely for some time, petrol vehicles in general will be cheaper to run overall but for me that's useless if the range of a gas vehicle wont get me where I want to go.
Cheers Craig............
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Follow Up By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 20:13

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 20:13
Don't shoot the messenger ;-) I'm just quoting what other people are reporting.

You're right about the availability of LPG though. I did the Strezlecki, Cameron corner, Bore track, Thargomindah section on petrol and kept the LPG in reserve. Chuck in a couple of jerries and I can go just about anywhere I want without any hassles.
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Reply By: P7OFFROAD Accredited Driver Training - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 08:13

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 08:13
yep, I find myself, right now, in a position to change vehicles... I struggle to believe that I am considering a Petrol 200 series.... However the company car will be turned over in 3 or 4 years (just like the current one)... Big difference in purchase price, I just don't know which way to go...

(a year ago I would never have even considered a petrol!)
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Reply By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 08:58

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 08:58
People have a short memory.....three weeks ago the difference between petrol and diesel at the pump was 15 cents a litre.

It seems people think it will never get that high agin.

You are trying to determent the future with something that has such a variable.

LPG sounds good over petrol or diesel.

There are so many good and bad points about each type of fuel so trying to get the right answer is imposable, not one fuel will suit everyone.

Would I by another diesel YES!
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Reply By: DIO - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 09:13

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 09:13
Despite the claim that a diesel engine will return greater economy than a petrol engine, the initial cost is far greater, the service costs greater - owing to the frequency etc, the fuel is more costly so just where are these 'savings' that owners of diesels continually rant on about?
I suspect that many diesel powered vehicles are now regretting their decision to buy such powered vehicle. Many of them will now put up any arguement they can in order to justify their acquisitions. Some decisions made are good, others are bad, some we can do nothing about and others we just have to learn to live with.
The discussion diesel v petrol has been done to death. Time to move on.
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Follow Up By: turbopete - Tuesday, Aug 05, 2008 at 17:06

Tuesday, Aug 05, 2008 at 17:06
if the costs worries u,,u cant afford it
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Reply By: The Landy - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 18:14

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 18:14
I think it all depends on where you intend to go and the availability of the fuel of your choice in these areas.

Modern diesel engines are very efficient and diesel is almost always available even in remote areas. Petrol usually is and LPG almost certainly won’t be.
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Reply By: sfletch - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 19:13

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 19:13
Local servo....40 cents difference between petrol and diesel.

Saw a servo on way home.......41 cents difference.

That is getting ridiculous.

My diesel 4WD sits in the garage as it is cheaper to drive my 2WD petrol work ute.
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Reply By: Brew69(SA) - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 20:25

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 20:25
Cost me $60 to to a Melb to Adelaide trip 3 weeks ago. Gotta love LPG.
I think in an ideal world we would have a diesel that sat in the shed for 11 months a year and we got out when doing our remote travel, and in between we would drive gas vehicles around with smiles on our dials.
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Reply By: Ianw - Tuesday, Aug 05, 2008 at 00:05

Tuesday, Aug 05, 2008 at 00:05
I think you are all forgetting that Petrol vehicles are rated much lower in their towing ability.
I have a diesel Navara 3.0lt and can legally tow 3 tonne. If I had got a 3lt petrol motor I would be limited to 2 tonne. I would have to get a smaller van. More cost to own a petrol!

Ian
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Follow Up By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 05, 2008 at 09:04

Tuesday, Aug 05, 2008 at 09:04
Bit of a generalization there....
The Pajero has the same tow rating for both diesel and petrol models (2.5t). Think Landcruiser does too.
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