50000 indigenous job scheme

Submitted: Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 12:45
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this will be a fine thing but does it mean no more immigration for the next 10 years ???????as we have an over abundance of unemployed now

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Reply By: Vivid Adventures - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 13:22

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 13:22
In the places where Andrew Forrest and Co want to put these people to work there is no over-abundance of unemployed. (for all intents and purposes zero unemployed except for indigenous communities)

In fact on average there is no overabundance of unemployed. (4.2%)

ABD Trends on Labour Market

Immigration tends to be targeted at mid to high level skills anyways, rather than the sort of skills likely to be generated by this proposed program.

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Andrew who thinks 50,000 is a nice target, but practically a tall order.
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (FNQ) - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 13:29

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 13:29
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The simple answer to that idea is ...IT WON'T WORK, to much sit down money ,
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Reply By: Member - Footloose - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 13:32

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 13:32
If it works, great ! If it doesn't then top marks to Andrew for once again, putting his money where his mouth is.
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Reply By: Member - Barnesy - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 15:06

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 15:06
Forrest is a very ambitious man, obviously. This 50 000 seems like a pie in the sky figure but if it works for any number of Aboriginal people, even 5000 then good on him.

I only hope that if jobs are found that their cultural and family obligations are allowed to continue. This may mean having some time off each year often at short notice. Many in the Pilbara and Western Desert regions still practise traditional initiation lore and other ceremonies.

It may end up being counterproductive if Aboriginal people have to trade off their culture and family for a job.

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Follow Up By: Crackles - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 18:30

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 18:30
"It may end up being counterproductive if Aboriginal people have to trade off their culture and family for a job"
Do we not trade off our culture & family time to earn a living? One can't have equality with 2 sets of rules.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 23:43

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 23:43
Having worked with a girl who had to kick her no hoping bludgers out and turn her back on them .... From what I saw it would be the best think for many of them they were bsalute parasites on her. Unfortunatly it really bothered her.
But in her own words no one should have to put up with going to work while evryone watches TV then come back to find they havnt moved except adays worth of rubish is piled around them and then told to quiten down because they cant hear the TV while she cleaned up
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Follow Up By: Member - Barnesy - Tuesday, Aug 05, 2008 at 12:15

Tuesday, Aug 05, 2008 at 12:15
Yeh Davoe is is sad that if someone works then their family "humbug" them for their money. That is the way Aboriginal people have been for 50 000 years, sharing everything that each other has. That seems to be one habit that many Aborginal people have trouble getting out of. These other depression/alcohol problems have a variety of cause and effect relationships.

Often the only way that someone can keep a job and get ahead is to tell their family to bleep off. They then miss out on many of their positive family gatherings.

This is a very complex social issue that is out of the scope of this small forum.

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Follow Up By: Member - Barnesy - Tuesday, Aug 05, 2008 at 12:31

Tuesday, Aug 05, 2008 at 12:31
I remember talking to a nice, friendly, old Aboriginal bloke who has been a chronic alcoholic for most of his 45 years. When I asked him why he drinks so much his reply was "all of my friends drink grog, if I don't want to drink one day they tell me to bleep off then I am all alone".

But I agree that Aborignal culture has to adjust to today and the only way it will survive is if young kids stay in school and get jobs and if older people show them how to behave properly.

>>One can't have equality with 2 sets of rules.
Capatilist businesses have to be flexible with their Aboriginal employees and recognise that they have additional challenges to overcome to hold down a job.
Having parents that can't even read is one extra challenge.

As for the immigration question, you are getting too far ahead of yourself there.

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Reply By: Zapper - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 18:24

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 18:24
If he gets 500 to work (and stay at their jobs ie turn up the day after pay day) he will be an absolute genius, actually make that 50 or even 5......
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Follow Up By: Wetty - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 19:07

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 19:07
I have to agree, have seen too many of them given more than just an opportunity only to complete the training and not show up for work. Hats off to Mr Forrest for trying his guts out but I have a feeling he is destined to fail.
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Reply By: The Geriatric Gypsies - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 21:07

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 21:07
goodday guys
dont get me wrong i reckon its a great idea but we have to not only get the indigenous people working but all the others and if we are offering 50000 jobs to indigenous people then we must stop all immigration for a while to give our system time to settle because thats a lot of jobs out of the employment system or are we creating 50000 new jobs ???? dont see that happening

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Reply By: Member - Matt H (SA) - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 21:18

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 21:18
Hi All,

I reckon he'll be pushed to find 50,000 Australians of all persuasions to work - let alone targeting the indigenous folk who (from memory) only number approximately 500,000!

Lifesytle and cultural issues will put a big dent in the numbers too.

Good on him for having a go though!

Cheers, Matt
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 23:39

Monday, Aug 04, 2008 at 23:39
Rio commisioned a survey a while back to determine how many of the indiginous folk were fit for work............. After it was determined how many had
- chronic helath issues
- a crimnal record
- Couldnt pass a Dand A test
they gave up on the idea
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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Tuesday, Aug 05, 2008 at 00:02

Tuesday, Aug 05, 2008 at 00:02
In another post mention was made of the sight of a couple of 5 year old indigenous kids following a truck painting the white line on a road and sniffing the paint.

If this jobs program rescues these kids now or in the future then it's a good thing.

I feel too much emphasis is put on "tradition" and "culture" at the expense of improved health, living standards etc. Other ethnic communities seem to be able to combine productive lifestyles while maintaining their ties with their heritage (Italians, Greeks etc etc).

If "tradition" and "culture" means staying in destitution in their camps maybe it's time to give these "values" a back seat for a while.

I'm sure if individuals were canvassed their answers would be different to those from their advisors, or the aboriginal "industry".

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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Tuesday, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:07

Tuesday, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:07
Gotta say My missus who is a highly skilled truck driver having driven 12 tonne delivery trucks to all points of perth including down the mall into spots i wouldnt dream of driving my 4by, 17 tonne agi trucks for several companys both here and the NW, rollers, artic trucks, 100ft long several trailer container trucks. had to pay for all her liscenses including crane liscense for which she can get no work .
Finds it an absalute insult people are getting a free ride into the mining industry when there are so many busting there butswell qualafied working for 18-19$ per hour often with no overtime payed who have been applying for years with no luck
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Tuesday, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:15

Tuesday, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:15
Gotta agree with you there Davoe.

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Follow Up By: Member - Joe F (WA) - Tuesday, Aug 05, 2008 at 20:56

Tuesday, Aug 05, 2008 at 20:56
Image Could Not Be FoundG'day all
I can hear the howl's already, yep the richest man in Australia wants to employ more indigenous Australians in his mining concerns and he is calling his fellow mining mates to do the same.

In principal it's a very noble idea and I honestly hope it works for the local indigenous people.

But, with every one indigenous person obtaining a job, in the present day mining industry, the mining companies accommodate not only the "employed person" but also the extended family and in some instances there are "mobs" of them.

The social issues will be enormous, as they already are in most of the mining towns in the Pilbara.

There is a mechanism in place already in Newman, where Indigenous employment is taken quite seriously, but the people getting the jobs on offer are for the most, NOT LOCAL, they are indigenous Australians and quite savvy, they are mostly well educated and in cases skilled plant operators and the like.

I was told directly by a local Aboriginal elder that, these people are the cause for concern amongst the locals, because these ( buggers are taking our jobs )

I know from experience, a poorly educated,unskilled Aboriginal person has next to no hope of making it in the jobs market and if Andrew Forrest and the other Social Engineers from the top end of town and from within the mining industry think they can clear their consciences for mining the cultural and sacred lands of the Australian Aboriginal people, by making them complicit by the way of giving them jobs, in the mining industry, I'll be a monkeys uncle.

I have seen many things happen in twenty years of living in the Pilbara, mostly not great for the local Aboriginals, but maybe the future will be different in a positive way.Image Could Not Be Found
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