oil now lowest in ages $ 1.21.18 / barrel

Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 06:46
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I cant wait till fill up this morning should be abut $ 1.30 or less per litre.
Look at that there goes a flying pink pig.

all the best
Eric

Wont come down because the olympics have started.
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Reply By: Isuzumu - Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 07:10

Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 07:10
Now $118. something ge wiz yep we will be waiting another two weeks for it to drop. That so in case it goes up again and they don't have to change it bloody thieves.

Cheers Bruce.
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Follow Up By: Cape York Connections - Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 07:14

Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 07:14
Its harder to put smaller numbers on those big signs in front of the servos than bigger numbers..

All the best
Eric
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Reply By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 07:25

Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 07:25
I am looking forward to it dropping even further due to China stopping Industry for the Olympics LOL

I can see that happening..............Not

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Reply By: Member No 1- Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 07:47

Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 07:47
eric.....your an optimist....lol.lol...pink pigs ha ha ha
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Reply By: age - Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 07:54

Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 07:54
Eric

Unleaded $1.31 in Bris this morning, E10 $1.26 and diesel......$1.75. Felt good this morning feeding the V8 with 4c/voucher for $1.27

So apart from diesel, prices are close to your wish

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A
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Follow Up By: Louie the fly (SA) - Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 10:11

Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 10:11
Petrol in Woodside SA this morning 1.459 ULP & 1.759 Dist. 4c vouchers accepted. Problem we have here is no competition in town so prices don't fall as quick as say Mt barker or in the city. My daughter got ULP in Adelaide yesterday for 1.309
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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 15:53

Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 15:53
Hi age, its bloody day light robbery, that's 44 cents diff in price from ulp to diesel, it was probably 34 yesterday. Now I don't mind paying 10 cents a litre diff but 44.
So us who drive diesels are sure getting it uta from the oil companies that for sure, and our pollies don't give a stuff.

Cheers Bruce
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Follow Up By: Cape York Connections - Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 21:19

Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 21:19
You have forgotten the price of diesel is base of the russian winter.

all the best
Eric
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 23:03

Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 23:03
It's always winter ..... somewhere!
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 14:59

Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 14:59
I could be wrong and I hope I am but I reckon if fuel prices fall so will those pink pigs 'cause the sky they're flying in will be on the ground.

A few years ago, when prices were climbing and the oil companies were blaming world oil prices, a spokesman for Shell or one of those theiving multi-nationals said that for ever $/barrel crude went up Australian fuel prices would rise 1c/l . Bet it doesn't come down according to that scale.

Duncs
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Follow Up By: Cape York Connections - Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 21:17

Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 21:17
It takes longer to come down because it takes longer to think of the excuses of why it take so long to come down.
Sounds like oil company speak.

all the best
Eric
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Reply By: happytravelers - Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 20:29

Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 20:29
When you hear that Exon made $30 billion in one quarter year, you know that you really are being ripped off.
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Follow Up By: Cape York Connections - Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 21:20

Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 21:20
No landy has got a reason for that.

all the best
Eric
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 22:27

Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 22:27
Hi Eric

I’m not going to defend oil companies; but I’ll defend the facts!

Exxon announced net income of US$11.68 bln not US$30 bln (facts always get in the way of a good story!), but as we have discussed before that tells you nothing other than it is a big number. What was the return on capital invested? Quoting big numbers and arguing it is excessive is the stuff of the talk-back radio jocks. Makes for good ratings, but the story is usually devoid of any meaningful analysis.

The largest part of Exxon’s profits came from pumping oil out of the ground. Now if people are willing to pay US$ 145 per barrel for it, than it stands to reason they will make money. After all the Saudis have been selling it to the world in years gone by at US$ 20 per barrel and they still made a small fortune, so at US$120 plus it is fair to say producers will be doing exceptionally well. Short of telling the Chinese they can’t buy anymore, extra supply coming on stream or some other energy source competing with oil I guess we are stuck with the price where it is. Why would Exxon sell it for anything other then what people are willing to pay for it? They don’t set the price; they get what people are willing to pay.

Oil is the major input into refined petroleum products so it stands to reason that if the price of oil has risen 7-fold over the past few years than the price of refined petroleum products will be higher.
What gets so confused in the fuel ‘debate’ is what oil producers earn selling crude oil, and what refiners make from refining crude oil into petroleum products. Not all oil producers are refiners; Caltex is an example, they pay whatever the going rate is for crude oil and make it into something you can put in your fuel tank.

Now Exxon is actually a refiner, as well as an oil producer. But if you take the time to look at the company’s revenue and where it is generated you will see that its earnings from refining and marketing activities fell by around 55% this quarter. That flies in the face of claims that refiners are profiteering at the expense of consumers during this time of high prices.

Whether the price of fuel should be 5 cents higher or lower today then they should be is academic; if you look at the average price paid versus our regions benchmark for both diesel and ULP you will see that the earnings margin is consistent. But don’t expect the same price falls in diesel as it does not get the same marketing discounts that ULP does; the reality is that volumes sold to retail consumers in Australia is nominal in terms of overall fuel sales.

Over time falls in the price of oil will feed into the price of refined products, but there are many other factors that will influence the price of refined product. The Australian dollar, for example, has fallen almost 6 cents in the past two to three weeks and this has a negative impact.

I’ve said before that the fuel debate takes on shades of the argument that the world is flat; plausible theory, lots of people agree so it must be right. So believe what you will, but rest assured the fact is that there is very little money made from refining crude oil into petroleum products. I’ve highlighted before that Mobil (of Exxon-Mobil) closed its Port Stanvac refinery in Adelaide because it simply could not get a suitable return from upgrading it to meet new standards.

In the future the arguments won’t be about price, it will be about security of supply……but that’s another story!
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Follow Up By: Cape York Connections - Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 22:35

Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 22:35
Your real name isnt landy Exxon. LOL I just new you would have a good reason.

all the best
Eric
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 06:11

Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 06:11
Hi Eric

I pay the same price as everyone else when I go to a service station and I certainly don’t want to pay any more than I need to.

What motivates me to present the facts is the disinformation that people are basing their beliefs on. Eventually, voter disquiet leads to policy responses from government, however the problem is that if the arguments are wrong it usually follows that the policy response from government is also wrong. FuelWatch is a classic example, the government responded to voter disquiet, but they solved nothing with the policy response. As I have highlighted to you before under FuelWatch your fuel bill will be higher than it would have been under the current arrangements. I guess we are now stuck with that outcome.

I also have a genuine concern for the future of four-wheel driving as a recreational pastime. You only need to read the forum to see that it is already affecting the travel plans of many. The cost isn’t only counted in the price of fuel, but also the more rapid depreciation of our vehicles. These are things that we will have no control over.

However there are things we can do such as the promotion of alternative fuel sources, LPG for example. A trawl of the forum highlights many are converting or considering conversion of vehicles to include this fuel. The problem is that in many places in Australia, especially more remote locations this fuel is not available. In time the cost of traveling to remote locations will lead to a (severe) downturn in visitor numbers.

Your business will clearly be impacted by rising fuel costs, however there are things that you could be doing, and possibly already are. For example, the four wheel drive tour industry should be advocates for getting outlets in more remote locations to provide LPG. This cheaper fuel source may encourage the continuation of travel to destinations such as Cape York and the more remote central locations by those that are now looking for alternative holidays to driving.

I think doing something along these lines will be far more beneficial than complaining about something that we don’t like, but equally have no control over…….

Regards
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