Eastlink - A monument to Bureaucarcy

Submitted: Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 12:49
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Not a 4wd story but may be of general interest to those who tour around.

Eastlink is a new tollway in Melbourne and we find it of marginal value as it saves us approximately 5 minutes on a regular trip for a cost of $2.

We brought a family member a car from a car dealer the other day and entered it on our Eastlink account just before picking it up.

Before handing over the cash, we did a last minute check of Victoria's excellant "Vehicles security register"
which revealed the car was under finnace and the car yard could not legally sell it.

The car yard pannicked as this is there responsibility and said they would sort this out, but after a few days they could not and had to return the car to the finnace company,
losing heavily on it as they paid $600 to get it roadworthy.

In the meantime, they used the car as a runabout and clocked up $13 on our eastlink account, before we removed "the car we never had", from said account.

Then the fun begins, we phone Easlink and it was a bit hard to explain so we dropped into there local office and requested we be returned our $13.

They counter staff were not quite sure of the procedures, but assured us it would be fixed up.

A few days later we checked and it hadn't been fixed.
We tried to get back to the staff member for an explanation only to find out that they only use a central number and it was not there policy to allow direct phone calls to the shop and the person we dealt with, it took 6 minutes on hold to find this out.

Bit dumb, but oh well!
I then phoned the central number again and went thru the process with an operator.
He was able to bring up our complaint and, as he also wasn't sure how to reverse out the $13, he got advice from his supervisor.
Advice was that as we had entered the car in the first place, he would not refund the $13, and that we should sue the car yard for it.
You'd have to be joking said I.

The original shop employee had simply failed to inform us that this was Eastlinks position.

Actually I don't disagree that Eastlink may have had a technical if not moral point to there position but well really, $13 is hardly worth chasing, and I would have thought a small amount
of business sense would see the $13 be credited back, for goodwill value if nothing else.
They were however constrained by there procedures from doing this (counter staff level).

At this point, I thought its time to make a point, and went thru a written complaint with the Eastlink operator
during which I explained that we have stopped using Eastlink at a cost to them such that they would
loose the $13 in just 48 hrs , so come on guys, get someone with some authority to make a
common sense business descision in your own interests.

Their process is to get back to your complaint within 48 hours, so we will see !

P.S. If you join Eastlink online, don't make a mistake and enter a wrong rego number, cause from their point of view , youre liable.
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Reply By: Member - Lionel A (WA) - Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 14:30

Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 14:30
Hi Robin, always thought our taxs, rego payments, infringement penalties etc went into a big black hole which funded repairs to existing roads and construction of new ones.

Seems to be a crazy system where one pays to drive on some roads but not on others.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$..............maybe !

Cheers.....Lionel.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 15:45

Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 15:45
Hi Lionel

It was a black day in Victorias history when this road
was changed from free to Toll.

Often people call politicans nasty names with which I do not agree
however this is the classic by which people can rightfully say they
were lied to, or if you prefer-->

It was a non-core promise.
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Reply By: Member - Paul Mac (VIC) - Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 15:08

Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 15:08
Hi Robin,

Actually, reading your story, I would have thought the first port of call would have been to the car yard??????????

I mean, they drove the car on the tollway did they not?

Whilst you say its in Eastlinks interest for "goodwill" to refund you the $13 , I would also say it could be in the car yards interest to refund for "goodwill" reasons if you are still looking for a vehicle.

User pays ???????

Good luck.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 15:32

Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 15:32
Hi Paul

It isn't really worth the drive Paul.
But even Eastlink says its really the yards cost but wouldn't follow up with a nominal refund, as its not in their procedures.

Apparently , this sort of use happens a lot and its just written off as unchaseable.

But believe it or not the car yard, got it off another car yard who in turn got it off a bankurpt driver who in turn owes the finnace company, and no one really takes ownership of the problem.

You wouldn't believe the total mess these things become and $13 is last of their issues.

As a side note to a very complex story - we had the car independantly checked for $145 and initially the car yard said that our deposit is refundable but not that cost.
We had it pointed out by department of fair trading that as car yard hadn't done a proper check, they were liable for all incidental costs , so we were happy we got that back and didn't worry a bunch of other small items, like cost of bank cheques etc.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 23:46

Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 23:46
Paul, I agree with you on that. Obviously if they have incurred $13 worth of charges, they haven't honoured you as a customer Robin. They need to be reminded of the costs of running a car, just as we all have to pay rentals at dealerships when using their cars at service times. That is of course, on top of the other issues you discuss! FUN with capitals!
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Reply By: Member - Paul Mac (VIC) - Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 16:04

Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 16:04
Hi once more Robin,

Oh well, I suppose it is just another one of those things that goes into the "learnt from experience" basket.

Just imagine what could have happened IF you hadn't done the VSR check and several months later there was a knock at the door requesting that the keys be handed over and the car repossessed.

You may not be aware but I worked for a bank for 37 years and I hope you never tried to take that bank cheque back to be repurchased........you would have fainted when they told you how much the repurchase fee is...:-))))

Hope you have better luck next time you find a good car.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 18:12

Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 18:12
Your right their Paul , also on the bank cheque - I wasn't quite sure of the car so cash was King that day.
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Reply By: Kim and Damn Dog - Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 19:49

Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 19:49
Gidday Robin

I can't see how Eastlink is the villain. Seems to me the problem started with the car dealer.

Regards

Kim
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 21:01

Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 21:01
The car dealer is the real villain Kim , but Eastlink wouldn't reverse the charge after being shown proof that we never owned or used the car, hence in my opinion are guility of taking money they are knowingly not entitled to.


I watched a news item to-night which showed that after the toll free trial the traffic on their road dropped by 1/2 to 135,000 trips per day resulting in a 20% drop in the value of their shares so I'm sort of happy now as I believe there lack of finnese in the way they approach things has contributed to their lack of performance.



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Follow Up By: Kim and Damn Dog - Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 21:21

Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 21:21
Robin

Fair enough. I understand a point of principle, even if the debt is low. Good on you.

In this case the mongrel in the mob, is the car dealer and not Eastlink. That'll be clear to any man. Maybe the monetary loss is less, than the lesson learnt.

Regards

KIm
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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 19:57

Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 19:57
I think you should have gone to the used car mob for your refund. Just like when you hire a vehicle and you use a toll road without paying (or get a traffic fine) the hire company recoups the charge from you.

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 21:44

Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 21:44
Funny thing Peter , over the period I got to feel almost sorry for the used car dealer and I tend to think an employee probably took the car at night as the Eastlink setup tells you the times and charges you travelled via the net.

The main reason I felt sorry for them was that they insisted they did a check but that the clunky software used by vicroads is prone to problems which I have seen myself.

Haven't brought a used car for a long time and as I went thru the process I soon discovered that far from the used car dealer being shady they had a term for some customers "The buyers are the liars". They showed me how buyers could fool the check systems and in this case it comes down to a person selling his car without declaring it as still under finnace and not having anything worthwhile to be re-possesed.
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Reply By: Member - Serg (VIC) - Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 21:35

Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 21:35
Robin,

Fully understand your frustration, but , mate, it is not Easternlink problem. They may do it for good will, but they do not oblige to. IMHO car dialer should be penalized. If you ask them (DEALER) and they agree (very doubtful) then nice. Otherwise you should ask your lawyer to write them a letter. Does it worth it? No freaking way! Just treat it as loosing some change – it would be cheaper overall and make much less damage to you.

Cheers
Serg
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 08:09

Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 08:09
Hi Serge

Its more fun than frustration, while there are complications my principle is simple -->

'I didn't use their services, so I should not pay'
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Follow Up By: Member - Serg (VIC) - Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 08:36

Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 08:36
Mate,

If you able to get fun from talking to brainless bureaucrats – god on ya, I am truly jealous because I cannot stand their stupidity, so for me it is not fun at all.

Cheers
Serg
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 08:19

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 08:19
Well after 10 days of stuffing around , Eastlink must have decided they were in a no win situation and credited back our $14.

About time and they only lost $20 as we boycotted the road while they made up their minds.

Problem for eastlink might be that we kept figures for travel times now that things have settled down and acutal savings using it are less than we thought and not worth it if you have time , or unless there is a traffic hold up on the main rd it bypasses (Stud rd)
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