Maxxis Tyres

Submitted: Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 17:44
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Recently I purchased 2 265/70x16 Maxxis 751s. First time I used 4wd the vehicle had a lot of difficulty coming out of 4wd. This had never happened before. I decided to measure the rolling diameter of the Maxxis tyres. I was surprised that the rolling diameter measured almost 50mm more than either a Cooper or Yokohama. Over a 1 kilometre distance the Maxxis would make approx 405 revolution while the others mentioned would make approx 413 revolutions. I went back to the tyre dealer and they checked the Maxxis against a number of brands in the equivalent size and were amazed at the huge difference with the Maxxis. They replaced the tyres. My vehicle now disengages 4wd as it should.
Has anyone else experienced this with the Maxxis?.

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Reply By: Vivid Adventures - Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 17:56

Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 17:56
what wheels were they on?
what vehicle is it?
If it was a centre diff lock it was probably getting wound up a little and reversing back with wheels locked right then left would probably fix it.
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Follow Up By: dsbomba - Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 14:50

Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 14:50
Vehicle is NL Pajero 3.5 litre manual. Centre diff lock was not on.
Wheel are the original fitment. After driving in 4wd without the centre lock on it was impossible to select the centre lock or come out of 4wd.
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Follow Up By: Vivid Adventures - Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 15:13

Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 15:13
Yes. It is apparent how this happens. Super Select 4WD is engaging the centre diff - as I recall viscous coupling diff, and the diff is not able to handle this amount of variation front to rear so it is winding up.

There is not significant value in using 4WD on hard surfaces unless you're a rally driver, so the moral of this story is:

* don't put it in 4WD on hard surfaces
* don't lock the centre (and rear diff if you have a rear diff lock) on hard surfaces
* it is not a problem really if you use 2WD like mere mortals on hard surfaces.

Most people with part-time 4WDs have the same issue just by virtue of the different distances travelled front:rear or left:right. That is what diffs are for.

Cheers
Andrew.
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Follow Up By: dsbomba - Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 15:18

Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 15:18
A pleasure to receive your response!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks.
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Reply By: Cape York Connections - Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 18:23

Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 18:23
Did you have all 4 the same tyre or different front and back.
I cant see even thou it did happen why.
When people run 35 etc do they have the same problem.

All the best
Eric
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Follow Up By: dsbomba - Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 14:51

Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 14:51
Tyres at rear were coopers. front were Maxxis
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Reply By: disco driver - Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 18:30

Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 18:30
dsbomba,

It is not the fault of the tyres!

Putting 2 new tyres on one axle and then using 4wd is a sure way to develop some transmission wind-up. This wind-up is what makes it hard to shift out of 4wd.

The make of tyre is irelevant, if there is a serious difference in rolling radius between front and rear tyres transmission wind-up is almost inevitable on firm surfaces.

IMHO it is always advisable to replace all 5 tyres at the same time and to rotate the wheels according to the vehicle handbook. This tends to eliminate the differences in rolling radius betweenall 5 tyres.

Others may have different ideas on tyre rotation.

Disco.
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Follow Up By: dsbomba - Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 15:02

Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 15:02
Rolling diameter of a tyre of the same size does not usually vary more than 10 to 15mm. A 265/70x16 for example is 265 is tread width. The 70 is the side wall profile. being that it is 70% of the tread width. The Maxxis tyres in this size are nearly the equivlent to a 75 series. The tyre dealer checked the Maxxis against 4 other brands of the same size all of which only varied a maximum of 15mm between the brands, except for the maxxis, which was far greater than others measured. As soon as they were replaced and the vehicle diven it disengaged 4wd very easily.
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Reply By: Member - keith P (VIC) - Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 19:19

Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 19:19
every make of tyres have a different rolling diameter. i have had this problem when replacing damaged tyres and using the 2 new ones on the back.

it is not the tyre manufacturers fault. you should not be running different tyres front to back.

i run 35's on my patrol and never have a problem

anyhow i wouldn't be complaining about the larger diameter i would have got rid of the other 2 old ones
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Reply By: Steve - Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 20:46

Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 20:46
Proof that even ............'s dream

Stop playing with yourself and get real ...What 4wd you talking about ? Make, Model etc...

They replaced the tyres ! What Tyres..

Are u a Dickg\head ?
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 22:59

Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 22:59
What a totally irelevant response.

Just because you can't understand the question or other peoples replies doesn't give you the right to be a "fundamental orifice" and display your ignorance for all to read.
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Follow Up By: dsbomba - Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 15:08

Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 15:08
Only thing to say, Never argue with a fool, Why? Because when you do people then wonder who the real fool is!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Follow Up By: Dannyj - Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 17:36

Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 17:36
Haaa!. Great reply dsbomba. Short, sweet and how TRUE. Talk about taking the wind out of someones sail.
BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Follow Up By: Tzchenko - Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 18:42

Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 18:42
People like you, together with your stupid replies to others that have something real to contribute are not worthy of, nor are you welcome on sites like this. Its is clear that you lack the mentality and education to grasp even the smallest portion of someones post.
I can only hope that I or someone else comes across you when you require assistance somewhere with anything. Hell, you cant even spell "DICK".
Disco driver, you were far to polite, but guess you are a worthy person.
dannyj, loved it.
Your responses to dsbombas dilemma were genuine but the winner has to go to dsbomba for that brilliant reply.
CONGRATULATIONS !.
Steve, best to sell your 4WD if you own one, and invest in a dictionary.



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Reply By: nutwood - Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 21:00

Thursday, Aug 07, 2008 at 21:00
Kieth P's right. A 50mm bonus. Should of bought two more!
Anyway the answers obvious. Any part time 4wd with the normal, non slip engagement won't like different rolling diameters. You can get away with it if you only use 4wd when you really need it, on surfaces that allow slip.
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Follow Up By: dsbomba - Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 15:15

Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 15:15
Good idea. I condidered purchasing 2 or 3 more. Concerns are: I travel quite a bit, and one must consider what is the availability of a Maxxis is a remote area if one or more were damaged and could not be repaired. Thats why the dealer changed them so as not to encounter this problem.
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Reply By: Outa Bounds - Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 11:49

Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 11:49
Like others who have much more knowledge than me, it seems you would not have had the problem if you were to replace all four of your tires.

In the mountain biking sport, Maxxis certainly is one manufacturer known for their tires running "bigger" than the stated size. Likewise other manufacturers (Michelin etc) may measure slightly smaller than stated. But in the MTB sport this is generally known and taken into account, being that mountain bikes only have clearance for tires of certain width.

It's certainly interesting to know that it can be the case when it comes to cars as well! Maybe I'll consider Maxxis when the Subi needs a new set.
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 15:19

Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 15:19
strange to me it almost sounds like they were 265x75s
dumn Q but you did check that the worng ones werent put on?

I recently put the same tyre except in a 30x9.5x15 on the missus ute. I would have gone to a 31 but there was 1/4 inch clearence on the carport, so fthe Maxxis were bigger than the BFG she was running of the same size it would have hit
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Follow Up By: dsbomba - Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 15:44

Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 15:44
Certainly not a dumb question. The tyres marking was 265/70. As I replied earlier. Even the dealer was surprised at the huge difference with the Maxxis compared to other brands of the same size. They are going to bring it to the attention of the wholesaler.
We, meaning myself and the dealer even checked the rolling diameter of a Yokohama geolander that was worn down to the the tread wear bars and was only 17mm less in the rolling diameter than a new cooper.
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Reply By: Dannyj - Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 16:51

Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 16:51
Interesting. I have worked in the tyre industry for some 30 years. The Max tyre you make reference to, in fact has a rolling dimention of 2465mm. We looked at a Cooper ATR, it measures 2425mm. Similarlar measurements were obtained from a BF Goodrich AT, Yohohama Geolander AT and a Bridgestone D694. We allowed a leaway of 5mm eitherway when we measured these, We measured by placing a tape measure around the centre of the tyre, fitted to a rim and inflated to 36psi. The Max was vastly different and had the longer rolling diameter out of the tyres we measured. Over a measured kilometer the max would turn 405.67 times. The others would turn between 411.52 and 413.22. One would assume that this variation would not be good if operating in 4WD. Manufacturers often do not specify a rolling diameter. Some list a tyre height. A test for all you out there. Put a Max next to another brand. It is definately a taller tyre. This would explain the winding up of your transmission and difficutly from coming out of 4WD. The Paj was originally fitted with a Yoky Geolander, vehicle owners often may have a different spare. The Paj has a limited slip diff, the use of different rolling diameter tyre with such a difference would also trick the diff into thinking it was losing traction if it was fitted to the rear. Your dealer seems to have been educated like we were with the Max.
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Follow Up By: dsbomba - Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 17:12

Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 17:12
Looks like you have spent some effort looking at this. My dealer came in with 2470mm for the Maxxis. When the dealer removed the tyres they definately look taller than others.
Thanks.
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Reply By: jpfe8851 - Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 22:50

Friday, Aug 08, 2008 at 22:50
Hi Guys,

This thread really had me confused for a while. It appears the references to 'rolling diameter' is actually referring to circumference, ie the distance measured around the tyre. Diameter is the total distance or height of the tyre and rolling diameter refers to the rolling height which is twice the radius measured from the ground to the centre of the wheel hub when the tyre is mounted and fitted to the vehicle with the vehicle and inflated to the correct pressure.

This is also what is compared to in the term 'loaded radius'. Loaded radius is a defined specification available from some tyre manufacturers. If you know the correct loaded radius for a given tyre, you can work out how much pressure should be added or reduced for any given load in the vehicle and the loaded radius should remain the same for each tyre at any load. this avoids both over and under inflation. Remembering that this is applicable for sealed roads only and excessive weight may require additional pressure beyond the maximum recommended pressure. Loaded radius data is usually only provided for Light Truck and truck tyres so would not normally be available for the 265/70R16 of this thread which is mostly only available in PMetric sizes.

Hope this doesn't confuse the issue further.

John
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