Steel V Alloy

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We do some serious 4wding and alittle extreme stuff - never cracked an Alloy infact never seen anyone crack or split one.
We do drive carefully and not in a rush, we save that for the motorbikes.
Should i get some cheap steel rims when getting new tyres or stay with the stock alloys?
Will probably go up to a 285 on the std 16 inch rim and has anyone upgraded their 79 series rims and rubber?
Cheers Towie
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Reply By: Member - Serg (VIC) - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:20

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:20
My personal preference is steel. Seems stronger and in worst situation they will bend, while allow may crack. Also I am in big doubts that allow any lighter – sure aluminum lighter, but there are much more of it! Alloys great for look – thus I spare them for sedans.

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Follow Up By: Towie - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:29

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:29
Cheers seems fair and i agree just considering costs and practicality. Should think about longevity too i guess..
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:56

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:56
Which alloys Towie - machined or cast !

Machined is better but steel is better than both , but the other reason for steels particularly in a troppy is that you can get the wheels offset out to increase your track width and stability, can't do this readily with alloys.

Got an XR400 with a cracked alloy rear wheel.
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Follow Up By: Towie - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:02

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:02
Have done 45K on the std RV Alloy rims so i was thinking just use them untill they are buggerred or break then go steel.
I would have to buy 5 or 6 new rims and tyres so the costs esculate.
To go 305 tyres i would have to buy rims, but i dont know that the 305's would be that big a benefit to 285's.
Have found cheap steel rims would be $115 each by 6 is $690 more dollars to spend and thats a couple of tyres...
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Reply By: Splits - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:15

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:15
Towie

Alloys are stiffer than steel and generally weigh less which is why they first appeared on competition cars years ago. They did not bend as much as steel when pushed to the limit through corners and they helped to reduce unsprung weight which improved handling.

On a 79 series with all the unsprung weight in its live axle front axle, about all they are good for is looking pretty.

I would prefer steel on a 79 but seeing you already have them and don't drive in a manner that is likely to break one, you might as well keep them. I would only buy steel in your case if I wanted to use tyres that could only be fitted to split rims. Keep in mind though if you do break an alloy, it is usually unusable and not economical to repair.

A steel wheel may bend a little easier on impact and is also not economical to repair properly in most cases but at least you can hammer it back into a usable shape in the bush and it is a lot cheaper than an alloy to replace.

Brian
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Follow Up By: Member - Serg (VIC) - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:09

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:09
Brian,

I do not think that alloy that much lighter and even read somewhere that depending on model can be even heavier then corresponding steel one. In competition they surely use another kind of alloy or more expensive construction that give some weight benefit. Main reason for alloy existence in competition however is precision that they can be manufacture with. All sort of wobbling, ovaling and disbalance could be completely eliminated. While it is vital for F1 and very useful for slim street tyres, IMHO it has very little to do to fat 4WD tyres. Not only steel bends instead of cracks, it also cheaper and in general more practical. Last but not least special care and tools should be taken when changing tyres on alloy rims, while steel one easy tolerate two rusty levers.

Cheers
Serg
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Reply By: Willem - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:07

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:07
Towie

I ran Alloys through some serious off track stuff and never had a problem. Didn't bend or crack the alloys, but like you, I am careful where I put the wheels.The problem came with the tyres.

I have since reverted back to splits and crossplies for some serious treks over trackless country.


Cheers
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Reply By: Towie - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:25

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:25
Thanks guy's eveything is a compromise when making tough decision and doing research isnt it!
Not really up on the splits and crossplies but if i changed rims i guess i would have to consider various options and might get all to much for my limited mechanical & mental capacity....
Think it easier to stick with Alloy's untill i trash one then replace them with steelies.
I know i can run 285's at maximum with these rims so that may have to do for now..
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Reply By: Member - Geoff C (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 13:13

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 13:13
We managed to break a Nissan steel split rim on the Tanami this year. The tear was well over 90degrees nearly parallel to the bead and crossed over under the spokes. Made for an interesting ride once we got back on the tar.
Geoff
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Reply By: Member - Mick O (VIC) - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 13:15

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 13:15
Towie,

having just returned from a big trek, I have decided to move from my ROH alloys (they came on the vehicle when I bought it) to $100 steel rims. I've never had an issue with the alloys to date but I had to do a fair bit of work on repairing tubeless tyres and converting them to tubed once the sidewalls were torn on this trip.

Whenout there you don't have all that U-beaut equipment that the tyre places have and being a bit of a novice in the tyre changing area (not any more mind you after 27 punctures!!!) as most of us are, it concerned me that it would be a loit easier to do some damage to the alloys as opposed to steel when stuffing around changing the tyres. ie; using a bead breaker or the troopy as a bead breaker, shoving in tyre levers or any other length of steel for the purpose etc etc.

Just my opinion but often one point that might get overlooked in the debate.

Cheers. Mick
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Follow Up By: Towie - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 16:06

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 16:06
Thanick, what steelies did you get for $100?
I can only find sunraisers up in Cairns for around $115 each..
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Follow Up By: Member - evren1 (WA) - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 18:53

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 18:53
Towie,

just purched 6 sunraysias, 16" got them powder coated black (hate the stains the red dirt gives em') and delivered for $850. ( 140 ea) thought this was a pretty good deal.
I got them in Perth. The mob I bought my camper off organised them for me.
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Follow Up By: Mick15 - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 19:32

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 19:32
pro comp in narre warren do the black rockcrawler rims for $140 in 16x8 any of the listed offsets. thats what i'm going for, supposedly stronger than a sunraisia?!
Look better too in my opinion.

Series 51 rockcrawler rims
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Follow Up By: Towie - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 19:34

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 19:34
Thanks evren1, that does sound fair and your rig looks good.
is that them on your trailler?
How have the 285/75 cooper gone as thats what im looking at - have 265 ATR now and have copped a hammering on the rear with our camper onboard.... done about 50,000 Klms...
Wuld love to see a pic of the new rims and tyres...
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Follow Up By: Towie - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 19:40

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 19:40
Thanks Mick, they do look good and priced same as evrens powder coated sunnies.... the powder coating will look ace though wont it.... ohhohhoohhhh yeh baby....
Tell me what size tyre are you going to run with 16 by 8 you could go to 305/75 but get the odometer re calibrated....
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Follow Up By: Member - evren1 (WA) - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 21:39

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 21:39
towie,
yes, the rims are on the camper!
the coopers are performing good on the cruiser. have only had the camper a short while and done no real k's on them to comment on performance towing so time will tell.

I am offshore at work so the girl picked up the rims from Perth and took them home to Margies. they are sitting in the shed awaiting fitment. told the girl to get some practice in changing tires and got the preverbial get stuffed!

mate of mine has black rims on a silver 100 series and they look good ! I'll post a picky in a weeks time after they are fitted!
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Follow Up By: Member - Mick O (VIC) - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 21:56

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 21:56
Towie,

I got sunraysias 8" x 16" in white for $80 each at the local B'repairs in Ringwood. Was just quoted $110 for black or silver Sunraysias the same size at Essendon Tyrepower. Wombat 4x4 in Ringwood also hads all colours of steel sunraysias for $100. Whities appear to be the cheapest. B'Repairs quoted $100 for Black or silver.

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Follow Up By: Splits - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 22:06

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 22:06
Mick

Where did you go to get 27 punctures and what type of tyres were you using?

Brian
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Follow Up By: Member - evren1 (WA) - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 22:08

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 22:08
pretty sure the sunraysias I got were same price, it was the powder coating that put the price up. I was told you get what you pay for when it came to getting the rims powder coated!
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Follow Up By: Mick15 - Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 14:59

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"Tell me what size tyre are you going to run with 16 by 8 you could go to 305/75 but get the odometer re calibrated.... "

I'll probably run with 265/75 LT16, i could go with 16x7's but the 8's look better and have more offset available.
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Follow Up By: Towie - Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 15:59

Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 15:59
Gday Mick, after much deliberating will stay will original size and go with 285/75/R16.
I think the larger tyres will just add a heap to the fuel bill at this point as the car is a daily driven one also....
Next to decide which brand of tyre my Cooper ATRs are well chewed at 45000 Klms. Tread depth seems good but alot of chuncks taken out of them......
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Reply By: Member - Rodney B- Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 14:43

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008 at 14:43
Had alloys on my 60 series for years and then cracked 2 of them on a trip through the Gulf country (cracked through the spokes so) and were unrepairable so now stay with steel rims. Have put a couple of dints in the steel but out with the hammer and you are back on the road.

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Reply By: Garbutt - Wednesday, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:54

Wednesday, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:54
Steel rims are not immune from cracking. We recently had to replace all the steel wheels on our work Commodores due to cracking. The odd one with mags was okay. Mr. Holden kept that pretty quiet.

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