HID Retrofit kits
Submitted: Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 07:59
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MrBitchi (QLD)
Here's some info I came across from a thread on the Pajero Club
Forum about those Retrofit HID kits that replace the standard Halogen bulb.
Bottom line is, unless you're replacing the entire headlamp assembly, DON'T do it...
Daniel Stern Lighting
Reply By: traveller2 - Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 08:41
Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 08:41
Remember though that all of that testing was done in the good ol' USA which has the most abysmal regualtions for vehicle lighting on the planet.
Lots of states over there will not even allow the use of E code H4 headlights!!
They insist on using headlights with no specific beam/cutoff pattern, fitting E code H4, H1, H2 etc can result in vehicles failing rego inspection!!
While I've no doubt that Mr Stern is
well qualified in his field he is required to obey the rules in his country, it has come up on forums in the US that he does have a barrow to push.
There are also many different HID kits, many different reflectors and some combinations do throw excessive glare while others work perfectly.
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Reply By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 09:28
Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 09:28
He's been around for years and he has a personal dislike of HID lights.
Like anything on the world wide web..10 people hate widgets and there are another 10 people who love widgets.
So why post junk like this, people can make up there own mind.
I take it you have a pet hate for them why?
This topic has be done to death!
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Follow Up By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 09:46
Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 09:46
Lighten up Pal!
Just posting some info that may be of interest to some.
No barrow to push.
Go take a Bex and have a little lie down ;-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:51
Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:51
John Bex is for pansy's, Valium is much BETTER!....happy happy days...all smiles.
Not having a go at you.
Unfortunately the guy who owns that site has a bee in his bonnet regarding HID lighting.
With testing we have done we find some OEM headlights and some
driving lights work better then others when converted to HID regarding light output and increased scattering.
Most people who fit HID's don't adjust their lights down causing blinding to on coming vehicles and poor illumination of the road in front.
Time for a deep breath and another "mothers little helper".
Regards Richard
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Reply By: Member - Douglas M (SA) - Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:01
Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:01
I have two 80 series Landcruisers in my yard at the moment. One has after market HID's fitted and the other has the headlight wiring upgrade with 60/100 watt High/Low beam and 100 watt high beam. IMHO the halogen gives a far better light. Neither vehicle gets flashed by on-coming traffic. The HID's are so poor that the are going to be replaced with halogens shortly.
Doug
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Reply By: Member - Matt (Perth-WA) - Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 13:33
Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 13:33
You are spot on mate any retro fit kit is not legal in any state in Aust either......but watch out!!!
Start posting the truth and the "buggar other drivers-Im doing what I like" brigade will shout you down..pathetic really but you can see thier vested intrests.
Unless the kit comes with auto levelling devices, headlight washers and the factory reflectors...then they blind oncoming drivers.
A good set of QH globes and lenses and you can achieve very good light without causing other drivers distress.
Keep up the good posts!
Matt.
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Reply By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 16:42
Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 16:42
Badly aligned/focused headlights will dazzle oncoming drivers..
Whether they are HID, QH, or plain ol' incandescent doesn't matter, if they are aimed at the oncoming driver's eyes, they will dazzle.. end of story.........
I think that wearing blinkers makes one half-blind as
well, yes??
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Reply By: qubert - Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 18:21
Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 18:21
i use em cause they are good ,and thats it
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 19:57
Friday, Aug 15, 2008 at 19:57
Welcome to the outlaw club....
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt (Perth-WA) - Saturday, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:17
Saturday, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:17
Rebel without a clue hey Olcoolone!
If they are ok....get them certified and show the authorities how wrong they are.
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Saturday, Aug 16, 2008 at 16:19
Saturday, Aug 16, 2008 at 16:19
Matt you are a ......
I take it your disk brake Rear end in you Rodeo has an engineers report because it is illegal and dangerous to change braking types and alter ADR'sl.
What about the mounts for your Recaro's are they ADR and engineered approved.
Just thought you might be able to join he club.....but then again a non law breaker might not feel welcome!
Matt I don't really care if they are illegal or not and I think most people don't give a sh*t either.
There are so many other thing in this world that rate higher in mind then HID headlight conversions.
Get a life and grow up.
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt (Perth-WA) - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:02
Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:02
Hahahaha nice try idiot...when faced with a legitimate question you just counter attack....very mature.
Im not the wa_ker that gets on here every five seconds endorsing and encouraging a modification that would NEVER be done correctly. ie headlight washers, auto levelling devices and factory HID reflectors.......DIPPING THEM DOWN DOES NOTHING IF THE REFLECTORS ARE SCATTERING THE LIGHT INCORRECTLY!!!!
Obviously you have a vested interest either selling or fitting them.
Start considering other drivers and stop encouraging an illegal and dangerous mod.
ps...for the record my disc conversion uses all Isuzu parts including the proportioning valve. This has improved the braking ability of the vehicle.....IT DOES NOT BLIND OR AFFECT OTHER DRIVERS
You get a life
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) The O - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 22:52
Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 22:52
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Reply By: kcandco - Saturday, Aug 16, 2008 at 20:21
Saturday, Aug 16, 2008 at 20:21
Hi John
An interesting read. I have fitted 2 sets of lights with HID kits now. First was a set of narva Fog lights. The conversion definitely changed the focus of the lights but also increased light output about 3 fold. I have just fitted a set of cibie oscars with 55 watt kit and there has been no change to the pattern but a huge increase in light intensity. After seeing these results I would be cautious investing in a kit for high/low beam headlights because of possible problems keeping a sharp cut off point on low beam.
regards Kc
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) The O - Saturday, Aug 16, 2008 at 22:11
Saturday, Aug 16, 2008 at 22:11
This is why you have to adjust them down or you will dazzle on coming vehicles.
When you fit HID's the focal length changes due to the distance from the reflector to the arc in the globe and secondly the filament in standard globes is horizontal where with HID's there is no vertical or horizontal plane with the arc causing a more even spread of light over the reflector.
Designers of lights use this horizontal plane to there advantage when the design a light.
We have found some lights not suitable for HID conversions and other very good.
We don't endorse HID lights but we are very happy personally with them.
Most people fit them to headlights and don't adjust them down, this is more of a problem with the people who are fitting them then the factory reflectors and lens.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:37
Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:37
I thought that HID lights also needed a "washing" function to ensure minimal dispersion of light? How do aftermarket kits handle this issue? (if there is one)
I don't see how aftermarket kit owners maintain the "non-dazzle" requirement when loading the vehicle constantly....do people adjust their lights every time they drive with load, or do they just adjust it for worse-case (fullly loaded rear-end) and put up with the less than ideal performance when non-loaded?
Apart from having a HID setup from the factory with self-levelling headlights and headlight washers, i would avoid HID due to the issues.
Andrew
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