Overnight stays

Submitted: Sunday, Jul 20, 2003 at 21:20
ThreadID: 6078 Views:1753 Replies:6 FollowUps:7
This Thread has been Archived
Can anyone understand or interpret Qld Government language? We have a copy of the 2 key changes to overnight stays in rest areas here which states "The max stay period at all Mainroads motorist only rest areas in now 20 hours" the next key "Overnight stays are now prohibited at motorist only rest areas within a 50km of a commercial caravan or camping facility. How can this 20hour stay not include an overnight or part overnight stay. Have I missed something, maybe in Qld we have no daylight saving and yet have extended days.
Back Expand Un-Read 0 Moderator

Reply By: Member - Willem- Sunday, Jul 20, 2003 at 21:54

Sunday, Jul 20, 2003 at 21:54
Yes, Western Australia tried this ruse as well and it backfired on them. You cannot legislate that travellers have to pay for accommodation. And Yes, which part of the 20 hours can't you stay 50km from a caravan park or such. Maybe in Queensland dawn to dusk is 20 hours:-))) We found that the best place to camp in Queensland was in front of a NO CAMPING sign. Does the booklet say anything about non motorist rest areas? There are plenty of them up and down the coast road. Some are a bit noisy though.

Cheers, Willem
Never a dull moment
AnswerID: 25440

Follow Up By: Member - Geoff & Jen - Monday, Jul 21, 2003 at 10:49

Monday, Jul 21, 2003 at 10:49
G'day Willem, yes the Qld Govt might come a guttza in the future like WA. There is no mention of non motorist areas, that is why we are thinking of opening our front paddock up for selfcontained passersby in our area,for o'nite, which is centre to lots of tourist attractions around here, also there is a wide area of waste land between us and the road that could be used. We need a lot more people not to bow to Govts who are taking over our freedom and our money. Kick them where it hurts most!!!!
FollowupID: 17252

Reply By: Member - Joshua- Sunday, Jul 20, 2003 at 21:58

Sunday, Jul 20, 2003 at 21:58
Gday Geoff and Jen,
Basically what they are saying is
1. If the "Mainroads motorist only rest area" is within 50 kms of a commercial
caravan or camping facility, you cannot stay there.
2. If it is outside of these 50 kms, then the maximum amount of time you can
stay there is 20 hours.
Hope this helps,
AnswerID: 25443

Follow Up By: Member - Geoff & Jen - Monday, Jul 21, 2003 at 09:14

Monday, Jul 21, 2003 at 09:14
We thought that, Josh, although being in 2 separate keys, I presume they can be taken to suit the need at the time. I'd say the Govt put it like that to protect themelves, in a court of law, incase of an accident. They can screw around to cover tthemselves.
FollowupID: 17248

Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Jul 20, 2003 at 21:59

Sunday, Jul 20, 2003 at 21:59
How do you know theres a van park within 50klms, and what if your tired??? Dont they all preach SNOOZE OR LOSE or drowsy drivers die etc??
AnswerID: 25444

Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Jul 20, 2003 at 22:03

Sunday, Jul 20, 2003 at 22:03
And why would you want to stay more than 20 hours anyway?
FollowupID: 17236

Follow Up By: Member - Geoff & Jen - Monday, Jul 21, 2003 at 08:59

Monday, Jul 21, 2003 at 08:59
Exactly, thats the point, Truckster. How do we know how far away from a commercial stopover we are, and if they are good restful place. Sometimes the places where you pay a fortune, you get little rest because of the noisy idiots in the park.(we know) Quite often headaches occur when driving, especially in the Qld heat and glare, and thats when you should stop, when your body tells you. How dare they tell us otherwise. Plus we are warned to keep our eyes on the road at all times. There is a ban in Qld for advertising cars for sale on the road side, or near to, because it will cause eyes to wander off the road .... so tourist accomodation advertisements do not cause disturbed driver concentration???? Madness!!
FollowupID: 17247

Reply By: johnsy - Monday, Jul 21, 2003 at 08:57

Monday, Jul 21, 2003 at 08:57
Just claim fatigue and sleep where ever it takes your fancy.If they then take you to court tell the judge you were no longer able to be in control of the vehicle and under due diligence removed your self from the road .
AnswerID: 25461

Follow Up By: Member - Geoff & Jen - Monday, Jul 21, 2003 at 10:59

Monday, Jul 21, 2003 at 10:59
Johnsy, Thats the way to go, they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Every driver is different, some can drive longer than others, and yet there are those who need to take a nap when the need arises. Yes you are right, whatever tickles your fancy at the time, I feel.
FollowupID: 17254

Reply By: Member - Alpaca (SA) - Monday, Jul 21, 2003 at 21:43

Monday, Jul 21, 2003 at 21:43
Just returned from a bit of a drive through Qld and just happened to have the radio tuned in when the Roads Minister came on with his blurb. The 50 km ban relates to Main Roads controlled roads only but the local councils also have their own bylaws. We found lots of old quarries off the side of the roads which made excellent camp spots for an overnite stop. Incidentally, the first person who rang to congratulate the minister was the President of the Caravan Parks association or wat ever. Funny about that. We recon that it is pushed by the Caraparks group as people are rapidly waking up that you are being ripped off by them. $18-$25 a night for an unpowered site IS being ripped off. If you were to set up camp after 4ish, grab a beer and wait for someone to insist that you move on. Since you had been drinking, no-one would be prepared to take the responsibility should you have an accident after they forced you to drive on to the next town. The legislation was pushed for by the tourist operators and is a load of crap.Alpaca
AnswerID: 25541

Follow Up By: Member - Geoff & Jen - Tuesday, Jul 22, 2003 at 09:14

Tuesday, Jul 22, 2003 at 09:14
Alpaca, you have hit the nail on the head, as far as the Caravan Park assoc getting behind the Govt to force these stupid money grabbing ideas to the struggling public. The Govt know they also get a cut from the Caravan parks with whatever they rake in. So it us hard working, taxpaying, stressed out, down trodden people being ripped off again. The thing is with having the beer on the roadside, they can get you again for drinking while in charge of a vehicle on a public roadside. They are sneaky!! One thing we should keep in mind while in a caravan park is to check it is not over crowded, as they should be set up for a certain amount of campers to be legal. If you see this at any time, go and complain to the local council and the fire brigade, as this is a great safety issue. We have just heard of a park that was so packed the sides of the annexes were touching the side of the next van. All out for the Mighty Dollar, and that's all they have in mind.
FollowupID: 17328

Reply By: Member - Melissa - Tuesday, Jul 22, 2003 at 12:24

Tuesday, Jul 22, 2003 at 12:24
Hi All,

My family has a long tradition of caravanning. My grandmother was rumoured to own the first caravan in Vic back when they were all DIY jobs and wheeled and dealed in them for years to make some extra $$$ after WWII...

But I gotta say, CVP's have changed over the years. We bush camp wherever possible now because with the rising popularity of CVans, campertrailers etc we are finding most CVP's are now overcrowded and overpriced (supply and demand at work). I'm sick to death of paying anywhere from $18 to $26 for an unpowered site for the priviledge of a tiny site barely big enough to have a stretch in, neighbours keeping us awake (not necessarily because their over noisy, just way too close), toilet doors banging all night, car doors slamming shut, people packing up and setting off before dawn...

Here in WA, during school holidays and peak periods CVP's up and down the coast are booked out years in advance. Many small coastal towns use show grounds etc as overflow area's to cater for the influx and it's been like that for donkey's years. On a family holiday to WA back in 1977 I remember us staying in the show grounds at Albany.

So my point is this...if legislation forces all those who camp out due to personal preference or necessity in CVP's that are already full, where do they go? Simple, they stay home instead and its the small towns with economies relying on tourist $$$ who suffer. Maybe if some of the pollies actually got out on a real roadtrip instead of spending taxpayer $$$ on 5 star accomodation they would understand what I'm saying.

:o) Melissa

Petrol 4.5L GU Patrol &
Camprite TL8 offroad camper
AnswerID: 25595

Follow Up By: Member - Geoff & Jen - Tuesday, Jul 22, 2003 at 13:46

Tuesday, Jul 22, 2003 at 13:46
Melissa, You are sure right with the quote of Caravan parks have changed over the years, not just the price but the friendliness and the comforts. (not all, but most) Travellers will not spend money freely in towns when they cannot plan ahead, knowing they might have to pay a fortune to have a shower and use a toilet, a little further on. They might have to bank sleep also in the case of lost sleep previously, at the next stop.( If this is possible) This then has an affect on the other side of tourism, with visitors not being alert enough to get around and enjoy all the areas other attractions. Last year while in a NSW city we had a terrible night in a CVP with noise and crime nearby, that we left the following morning not fulfilling our plans for a day of seeing what the area had to offer, therefore we were there for 1 night instead of 2 or 3. We travelled on then stayed in a smaller town CVP where we spent money and had a great time. We need more down to earth pollies who are on an uncertain average income like most of us.
FollowupID: 17358

Sponsored Links