Buying or selling to family or friends

Submitted: Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 14:48
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Naturally when you buy or sell a vehicle to a family member or a friend both parties should be well aware of the history surrounding the vehicle and for this what price do you put on it?

If buying from a family member that has meticulously maintained the vehicle how much over and above wholesale should you be expected to pay? or should the seller, sell it to you at wholesale because you are a family member?

I am of the opinion that sell the vehicle for whatever the yards are going to give you after all, we all know that should be a bargain for the buyer but leave the seller in the same position as they would be if they traded anyway.

Similarly if you haven't had a vehicle long and decide to sell it to a family member or friend, do you sell it for what it cost you (so long as it was bought at the right price by yourself) or do you put a bit on it if that is the market value of the vehicle?

Thanks for your responses in advance.
Trevor.
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Reply By: Member - Serg (VIC) - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 15:29

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 15:29
I would say depends who are your friend and what kind of family relationship your are talking about. I would avoid such situation if possible. Exceptions will be if I trade-in lease vehicle then of course any friends or family member will be glad to pick it up for given trade-in price. Other exception is “selling” to kids for nothing. Otherwise you about to make unnecessarily arguments (if not now than later) with good friend of even worse family member. My $0.02

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Serg
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Reply By: Member - Axle - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 15:47

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 15:47
Hi Trev, As it goes, " You can pick your friends but you can't pick your relos" ...lol.


Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 17:18

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 17:18
Ummmm.......Axle

You can pick your nose and you can pick your friends but you can't roll 'em up and flick 'em out the window.

Dunno about relos.




Trevor

Don't be nice...make a price and that's it


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Follow Up By: Member - barry F (NSW) - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 18:11

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 18:11
Ummmm ............Willem. You are uncouth!! flicking your nose pickings out the window after rolling them up!! Goodness me, what about us poor innocent road users, has it ever occured to you that an innocent oncoming motorist ( 4x4 of course) might have just wound his window down for a breath of fresh air? & "ping" Willem just cruised by!! Talk about Gob Smacked!! LOL & cheers.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 18:50

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 18:50
Hey Barry

What do you do with yours?.....LOL



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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 18:53

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 18:53
Willem,

I think Barry feeds his fat and lazy cockroaches with them LOL

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Reply By: Ozboc - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 15:48

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 15:48
Quote " Naturally when you buy or sell a vehicle to a family member or a friend both parties should be well aware of the history surrounding the vehicle and for this what price do you put on it? "


Naturally ? RULE #1 NEVER EVER SELL A CAR TO A FAMILY MEMBER or friend - give them the car -- ok but if you have to sell it -- sell to a third party . If anything goes wrong with the car YOU WILL BE ACCUSED of ripping them off knowing that was going to happen whether or not you did know or not

It is really not worth it -- if you take a small loss selling to a third party , then cop it on the chin - this is much better than loosing a friend or family member for something as petty as money .....

i really cant stress this enough


Boc
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Follow Up By: TD100 - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 21:00

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 21:00
why not?? i have sold 3 cars and my brother 1 to the same family friends of more than 30 years- when they know ones coming up they fight each other to buy it so i would do it again and again!
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Follow Up By: Ozboc - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 09:55

Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 09:55
Td100 , then your lucky - i have seen first hand friends and familys part company over money. It only takes one bad experience for it ALL to fall apart .......

Scenario - you have a 3ltr Nissan - you change the oil every 5k religiously - never driven hard , infact its driven like its owned by a soccer mum.... ALWAYS serviced when needed - you sell it to your brother , tellling him that the 3 litre had an inherent problem in the motor BUT you have kept your maintenance up to high level so there should be no problem ....... you sell the car to your brother ... One month later , catastrophic motor failure - $15 000 damage. Now do you think your brother just cops it sweet and says , aaah well its just one of those thiings ... or do you think he will be angry and be looking at the previous owner for blame ? It is human nature to blame someone other than ones self and although they may not say it to yourface - they certainly would hold your responsible....

Now if you sold too a third party - you never have to deal with that person again on a personal level.

Is it really worth the risk? Is money that much more important to you than family and friends ? after all YOU did not make this vehicle so you cant take pride in selling an item YOU manufactured, your just an onseller - and there are millions of other cars they could buy instead

Boc
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 17:38

Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 17:38
Ozboc, I have sold to family, friends as in post lower down the page. I must say if I was selling some thing like you have described then I would be more inclined to trade or sell privately to some one I dont know purely for the fack of the horror stories of the 3 litre patrols (not starting a war between nissan/toyota etc just using your example) Im hoping to get my hands on my cousins rodeo next year, its his baby never even been off road like brand new (march 08 model) but he does alot of highway driving so will probably have around the 80 mark on it next year when he sells it. If some thing went wrong with it once I bought it then I wouldnt blame him as in mycase I know the vehicle and how he has treated it just put it down to bad luck. But can definately see your point. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Member - Madfisher - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 21:38

Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 21:38
Ozboc I can see your piont, but agree with Steve.
Case in piont , wifes 93 NH paj with 93000ks, I know it got at lest 150000ks left in it, but will upgrade it as the paint is starting to go off. Because I know how good it is I would like to see it stay in the family(plus I get attached lol) so would like to see one of our boys buy it.
Steve knowing how fussy you are mate, I would put my hand up for one of yours if its was in my price range. lol
Problem Steve is when you are drooling at the mouth waiting for a vehicle it is bloody hard to drive a hard bargain. Been their done that
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Member - Madfisher - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 21:53

Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 21:53
As a follow up though if I had a zd30 or td Jack, no way would I sell to family, most likely trade it.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: Member - Michael J (SA) - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 16:02

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 16:02
G'day Trevor,

I believe it depends on how much you value that particular
family member.

No short answer I think because some of my family I would let have it as cheap as possible......and I can think of a few that I
would add as many dollars as I thought I could get away with:))

Sell it to a stranger....

cheers
Michael
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Reply By: new boy - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 16:53

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 16:53
Trevor
Your finanial situtaion is important too if you CAN'T afford to give huge discounts then Dont that also includes your Kids .
Minium sale price should be the Trade-in amount or what YOU beleive the car is worth both parties must be happy with the price remember they to can walk away from the deal if they beleive your price is unrealistic.
Just had the simarlar situation traded in my Patrol sight unseen (I'm 1000k's from the dealer) and then sold for the same price to work mates daughter I probabley could on the open market got little bit more but There're happy I'm happy and no warranty from me.
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Reply By: The Landy - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 17:55

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 17:55
Treat it no differently. Caveat Emptor applies equally to family as it does to others.

Present the vehicle as it is and put a price on it that you will be happy to receive. After that it is up to the buyer to determine whether the price matches the offering.

Don't treat it any differently an that way you can't get into trouble....
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 20:20

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 20:20
"Present the vehicle as it is and put a price on it that you will be happy to receive. After that it is up to the buyer to determine whether the price matches the offering."

Yep my thoughts exactly Landy. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Member - Madfisher - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 18:00

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 18:00
If you sell your vehicle to a family member for the trade in price, you will get a bigger discount normally for no trade from the dealer, as most of them hate trades anyway.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 19:41

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 19:41
I'll second OzBoc...

NEVER sell to family or friends.
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Reply By: Member - Bob of KAOS - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 19:43

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 19:43
Boc said it all
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 19:47

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 19:47
It has to be an exceptionally good vehicle to sell to a family member.
Price should be half way between wholesale and retail - a bit each way.
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Reply By: Stephen M (NSW) - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 20:18

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 20:18
Have bought and sold to family. Sold to my sister but would never buy one from her as I know that she doesnt look after them like I do. Have sold three of ours to family members and sold our commodore to my mate at work, his son. I dont sell them any cheaper to them. If they want it they pay the $$$ like anyone else. If not I know that I will have no problems selling them to anyone else as they are well looked after, serviced and half the time in better nick then when I bought them in the first place, (unless new obviously) My sister generally waits till we update and she buys ours off us. I'm hoping my cousin will be updating his rodeo next year as he babys it and never even been off road so like new (top of the range T/D) BUT if between now and then it is in an accident I wont touch it. I also wont buy anything without log/service books or that has been pranged. Even my old lux had full service history every receipt even down to wiper blades. Sold it for 10g's in 06 300k on it 89 model. I think if its the type of vehicle that you would keep yourself then why not ?? You can buy new and have drama's. Price wise is up to you. Alot of people I know if trading will offer it to whoever at trade in price. If your after top dollar over the going price then I wouldnt sell to family (would be hard to sell anyway) but if selling for the average price then why not. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 20:26

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 20:26
Must say we sold my wifes Nissan pulsar to her brother, great little car,he had it two weeks and the auto box went bang. Wasnt a thing wrong with it prior but he drives like an old granny so new it wasnt due to mistreatment so coughed up the amount to get the box reco'd for him. Had we traded it in we probably would have never known the box was about to go bang. Luck of the draw. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 20:32

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 20:32
Thanks Steve. Pretty much what I think too. In both of the following circumstances both vehicles are one's I would gladly keep given the right circumstances.

I am being fleeced a little for a really well looked after GU from my uncle but I can live with that for the sort of car it is. But in reverse I may be selling a really well looked after GQ to a friend but selling it cheaper than I would to a stranger but that saying more about who I am and how I treat friends. IS up to this friend if they buy it or not as I truely believe I will get more for it in a short space of time if they don't.

Blimey 10G for an 89 lux with 300 on the clock, I thought $8500 might have been a tad hard to get for my 89 GQ 4.2 diesel 300 on the clock too, in VGC to exceptional cond. Owned by one middle aged woman for 17yrs before me, maybe not hey?

Cheers and thanks for your opinion.
Regards, Trevor.
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Reply By: Member - Royce- Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 20:43

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 20:43
I have tried to sell three vehicles to my son. Somehow it always turns into more of a 'give' than a sell!
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 21:21

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 21:21
Do you want an adopted son Royce ??? LOL. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Member - Madfisher - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 21:50

Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 21:50
LOL, I can relate to that Royce. I would sell to other relos, friends at market price, but it is hard with your own kids. And my old man done the same for me.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: Nutta - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 22:00

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 22:00
Family can be dangerous but if you do buy it you should maybe add 10% for the hassle it would have saved him in paperwork, phew, i hope that made sense.
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Barnesy - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 22:49

Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 22:49
>>I am of the opinion that sell the vehicle for whatever the yards are going to give you after all, we all know that should be a bargain for the buyer but leave the seller in the same position as they would be if they traded anyway.

You just answered your own question.

Barnesy
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Reply By: ross - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 09:11

Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 09:11
How longs a piece of string?
Sometimes friends/family and money are best kept separate if you are worried how much of a bargain they are may or may not get
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Reply By: deserter - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 14:14

Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 14:14
I sold my Falcon to my daughter and SIL for 2G less than the red book price. Gave them a kick along and gave me most of the money I would have got elsewhere. They are happy - car goes great.
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