E 10 petrol
Submitted: Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 21:26
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Have sold the old Pajero, and got a 2nd hand Toyota Aurion with 15,500 kms on the cllock, already in trouble with the computer, lights on the dash sort of thing. Turns out (they say) it's because of the tankfull of E 10 petrol I put in, that the O2 sensors are playing up. Toyota book says it should run ok on ethanol, but am told not to use it. Still under warranty thank goodness, wonder if anyone else has had this experience...
Reply By: Member - Madfisher - Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 21:56
Monday, Aug 18, 2008 at 21:56
I did the same with the Jack, light came on running like a hairy goat, When back to using premium and problem resolved itself after a while.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: Member - Doug T NT - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 01:31
Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 01:31
The Mythe of Ethanol again, Team Vodafone V8 Supercars will be using E.85 next year, Craig Lowndes says the cars perform just as hard during trials at Willowbank. The option is open to any other team who wishes to use it.
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Follow Up By: DIO - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 09:19
Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 09:19
Ah yes but what a myth regarding the stuff being 'environmentally friendly'. One of the biggest marketing cons ever perpetratred on unsuspecting motorists. If the stuff fell from the skies like rain and all we had to do was collect it and use it then I would be more convinced of it's value andcontribution to reducing green house gasses etc. Just how much energy does it take to plant, harvest, process and distribute? Like I said...what a con !!
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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 09:43
Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 09:43
Dio, so negative mate.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T NT - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 10:31
Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 10:31
Dunco
He couldn't tell the difference between Sh from Clay
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Follow Up By: Member - Madfisher - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 17:45
Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 17:45
Biggest neg of e10 is the effect it has had on world food prices. Mind you my farmer brother is rubbing his hands together with glee in anticapation of Nexts years crop.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T NT - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 17:49
Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 17:49
They been using Ethanol for years in South America,
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Reply By: Louie the fly (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:43
Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:43
I've used E10 on numerous occasions in my V8 Adventra with zero issues. Although I was overall happy with it, the small cost difference outweighs the distance I need to travel to buy it regularly. I'd suggest that for Toyota to say using E10 has caused the problem is BS. Look in the book - I'm sure it says you can use E10 (max 10% blend). I know my Holden book does.
DIO, biofuels DO reduced greenhouse gas emissions (slightly) and reduced harmful exhaust pollutants (slightly). Problem is that there seems to be no standards governing it's production (as far as I'm aware). However, the benefits are still not that great.
Have a browse at this.
Brazil & biofuels
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Reply By: Member - Hugh (WA) - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 15:33
Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 15:33
Hi Noddydog,
My work did the E10 assessment for Australian government. Most EFI cars handle E10 OK (air fuel ratio leans out but is within adapative limits of the engine management system). We did not test a Toyota Aurion but review of FCAI database shows that the Toyota Aurion is OK for E10.
FCAI - Ethanol Compatibility (E5&E10)
Your experience suggests that the EMS shifted lean beyond the adaptive window. Below are some thoughts on this:
1. I don't know where you live but if in Sydney/Woolongong area I know there is a problem with some rogue service stations selling higher concentrations of ethanol. There is now an active policing program to control this and recent prosecutions (some as high as 40%). This could lead to the problem experienced. Buy from a reputable supplier and you should be OK.
2. Ethanol is hydroscopic i.e. affinity for
water. It may be possible your tankful of E10 had high
water content, which would lead to misfire, etc.
I know you don't want to use your vehicle as a test case but it really ought to be OK on E10.
Regards,
Hugh
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Follow Up By: noddydog - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 17:25
Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 17:25
My thanks for all comments, will be careful where I fill up, but will probably stick with unleaded.
Begs a new question...was thinking when we bought the car that we might install LPG but if the computer plays up with e 10 petrol ,what happens when LPG is introduced? /f
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Follow Up By: Member - Madfisher - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 17:49
Tuesday, Aug 19, 2008 at 17:49
Noddy go one better and run it on premium, better economy, better power and cleaner injectors.
Cheers Pete
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