new CRD not that good!
Submitted: Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 15:42
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Gossy
well this is controversial :)
Crossing the simpson a few months back and one of the vehicles in our trip (Ford
Ranger) ran out of fuel about 30 mins out. Being a CRD it was going to be a nightmare to bleed the system. Had to pull off the injectors, blah blah blah. After we realised the nightmare it was going to be we decided to keep winding it over (after putting in fuel of course) and hoped for the best. Thank god it started after about 5 mins of turning it over.
I popped the bonnet of my GQ patrol and promptly pulled off the hose and showed him that on my old diesel it's a 30 second job.
yes they have more power, better economy etc but are we moving away from the home mechanic doing real basic jobs on their car when out bush (I already know the answer for petrol engines!)? Just like to know other people's point of view.
Reply By: Outbacktourer - Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 15:50
Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 15:50
Gossy, we have already moved away mate. There is no point fighting it, you just need to carry a different bunch of spares! Fuel for instance :)
OT
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Reply By: Gossy - Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 15:54
Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 15:54
Ah, but it wasn't me with the lead foot. Ironically I averaged 13 litres/100km over the crossings (double) but the new CRD did 20 litres per 100km.
I acknowledge that CRD should/will return better economy than
mine which goes to show that modern technology cannot fix someones heavy right foot!
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Reply By: Member - Serg (VIC) - Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 15:58
Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 15:58
Gossy,
I am with you on his one and just LOVE my 1HZ for its simplicity. Just like your Patrol – change fuel filter, 1 min or so manual fuel pumping, 30 sec cranking and it is done. However nothing that much what we can do about new technologies – they coming, and we have no choice, but adopt them. So does it worth to shake air? Lets concentrate on manual versus auto. LOLOLOLOL
Cheers
Serg
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Follow Up By: Member - Porl - Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 16:40
Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 16:40
So me and my new "old" diesel, how do I crank it over? I came from a petrol so am learning everything again.
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Follow Up By: Member - Serg (VIC) - Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 16:49
Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 16:49
Porl,
I have not got what you asked. We been discussing (
well, rumbling :-)))) how to prime diesel once it gulp some air. It was actually quite an adventure with old linear type high-pressure pump found in LC60 series. With rotary design it is fairly simple – pump manual pump until it became firm and crank engine with starter. It makes 10 or even less turn and starts. With helper who can continuously pump manual pump it happens even quicker
Cheers
Serg
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Follow Up By: Member - Porl - Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 17:05
Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 17:05
yeah, just was curious as to how to manually pump a diesel, but i gather they can be very different even if not a CRD so I'll go home and get out the
Gregory's I just bought, cheers
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Reply By: Gossy - Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 16:03
Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 16:03
True: we can't fight it. But geez isn't it a good incentive to give our old girls a good service and look after them to keep them around as long as possible ;)
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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 16:27
Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 16:27
Gossy
Maybee someone should have read his handbook for him. With both my Disco TD5 and the Navara D40 there are procedures for starting both that do not disconnect anything. Probably the high fuel consumption came from not putting things back in place properly.
PeterD
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Reply By: PajeroTD - Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 16:59
Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 16:59
Gosh people averaging 13L per 100 with a 3L diesel, and i avg 14-14.2L/100km in a Chevy Silverado 5.3 V8 petrol.....
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Follow Up By: Gossy - Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 17:21
Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 17:21
there is alot to fuel economy though. We had a new model petrol pajero which averaged 28litres / 100km. Not as bush ready as the other cars (road tyres, no lift etc) so spent much more time fighting the mud (hence fuel) than us who ploughed thru it.
We carried alot of gear because we were supporting 3 bike riders (food,
water,
camping gear, spare equip, tools etc). I was carrying 147 litres of diesel and 100 litres of
water and approx 300 kg of equipment. We were also there in June when the 60 mm of rain hit and
the desert was closed which meant we fought thru alot of mud between every dune and some 'lakes' we had to bush bash around. Every trip is different so every trip will give different economy (and then there is the driver and how aggressive they are with their right foot).
check out:
http://picasaweb.google.com/dksavage/Simpson08Photos?authkey=FuYz1674Fh8
and
http://picasaweb.google.com/dksavage/Simpson08Videos02?authkey=pcH1chaHNx8
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Follow Up By: cityslicker - Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 21:16
Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 21:16
Great photos, thanks for sharing.
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Follow Up By: jdwynn (Adelaide) - Saturday, Aug 23, 2008 at 09:35
Saturday, Aug 23, 2008 at 09:35
Agree with cityslicker Gossy - terrific set of photos. Such a contrast to what I've experienced in the Simpson (dry / hot!). cheers JD
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Reply By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) The O - Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 17:29
Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 17:29
When we fitted a second fuel filter with
water trap we had to drain the fuel system.
It took 3 pumps of the
hand pump on the factory fuel filter and after about 10 seconds of cranking the vehicle started.
No disconnecting fuel lines or cracking injectors.
As Peter (Nomadic Navara) said if you read the owners manual it would of been a piece of cake.
Again no disconnecting of anything.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian W (NSW) - Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 20:51
Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 20:51
Similar to the above.
I deliberately ran my CRD Patrol out of fuel to determine how far it could be driven after the fuel waring light lit up and to get an idea of the accuracy of the fuel gauge.
Poured a twenty litre jerry of fuel into the
tank, hand pumped and then cranked the engine which fired almost straight away, ran for about twelve seconds and died, repeated the process and was up and away.
Must have something to do with following the manual.
Ian
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Follow Up By: Member - John F (NSW) - Sunday, Aug 24, 2008 at 00:58
Sunday, Aug 24, 2008 at 00:58
Have to agree, O. The CRD Hilux manual gives pretty simple guidance on pumping the fuel through if you let it run out.
BTW, did you put an additional filter on the Hilux? I've been considering the same, worried about warranty. Ours has 65K on it, and am puzzled by the fuel filter maintenance programme ie., none, except to check for
water. Asked the Toyota spares bloke the other day at Gosford, he sold me a Daihatsu filter element, which he said is what they use. So that will go in at the next service. Why wait until the thing clogs up? Or is it just that fuel is generally so "clean" these days that it is really only rarely that filter elements would need to be changed?
Regards, John.
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) The O - Sunday, Aug 24, 2008 at 08:40
Sunday, Aug 24, 2008 at 08:40
John we run a primary filter with
water trap before the main filter, it does everything the main filter does except it has a large glass bowl so we can see if we get
water in our fuel.
It's a just in case filter....might save us $10,000 in repairs and it might not.
The main fuel filter does not need to be change as it is maintenance free.
Old filters filter work better then new if not restricted.
Have a look at the other post regarding CRD.
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) The O - Sunday, Aug 24, 2008 at 08:43
Sunday, Aug 24, 2008 at 08:43
One last thing be cautious about using not the right filter, I would take it back and get the right one for the Hilux.
I would question the spare parts guy.
The correct fuel filter is about $30.00
We carry one as a spare.
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Follow Up By: Member - Leigh (Vic) - Sunday, Aug 24, 2008 at 20:06
Sunday, Aug 24, 2008 at 20:06
No fuel equals no lubrication in the pump and potentially lots of $$$$ in repairs. I would suggest caution on doing what O has done by fitting a pre filter. I think the jury is still out on this despite his support of the arrangement. Post 60982 refers. Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - John F (NSW) - Monday, Aug 25, 2008 at 10:59
Monday, Aug 25, 2008 at 10:59
Thanks O. I bet it's the right one - it was $31. Toyo and Daihatsu are one and the same, I believe - Customer Relations answer the phone as "Toyota/Daihatsu".
I checked out the other thread. Have to agree that the lack of filter element replacement interval concerns me. If the light comes on out the back of
Bourke and you do the
water check and it stays on, is it most likely due to the element needing changing? If that's the case, why not then do the element at say 60k, instead of by the side of a dusty road??
Regards, John.
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) The O - Monday, Aug 25, 2008 at 17:43
Monday, Aug 25, 2008 at 17:43
Because in normal driving with good fuel the fuel filter will last, thats why it is maintenance free.
You might get 200,000k out of the filter or maybe more before it needs to be replaced.
You would be bleep if you changed it at 60,000k and you did get some gunk in there.
The thing about adding extra load on the fuel pump if you add an extra filter is interesting, we got told different and if there is a restriction the light will come on anyway.
The second filter you fit has a larger micron rating then the factory one.
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Sunday, Aug 24, 2008 at 15:07
Sunday, Aug 24, 2008 at 15:07
I smell B.S
I find it hard to believe a CRD requires a mission to prime the fuel system.
I suspect he or the othrs didnt ake the time to find out how its done.
Luckily for me when I got my 2H yota a guy I was showing it to just casually mentioned what to do (crack nipple unscrew
hand pump etc) as it was required not long after
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Reply By: Crackles - Monday, Aug 25, 2008 at 17:14
Monday, Aug 25, 2008 at 17:14
Well popped the bonnet on the new Ford
Ranger at work today & yep, it has
hand pump on top of the filter just like non CRD engines meaning to prime it you simply refill the
tank, press down on the pump 30 to 40 times until you feel an increase in pressure, then crank it over & it should start in 30 seconds, probably running rough initially. I would have thought at least one person in any convoy heading into the Simpson would have this most basic of knowledge. Who knows what damage was done to the pump cranking the engine over for such a long time with no lubrication.
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