Nissan 3ltr Implosion

Submitted: Monday, Sep 01, 2008 at 17:18
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Is it still a problem,

Mate owns a 2004 Nissan Patrol, 1007 thousand K's and it has imploded. He is after info from any other Nissan 3ltr owners who have suffered a similar fate with the later models 2004 till present. He wants to show Nissan that its still a problem, if this is the case.

Anyone wishing to contact him can through my email address: see below:

blazesport@tsn.cc
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Reply By: Dasher Des - Monday, Sep 01, 2008 at 17:22

Monday, Sep 01, 2008 at 17:22
Are you stirring the pot again Blaze. We all know that Nissan have fixed the problem since 2003 and it will never happen again. next thing you will be telling us that MitziChallenged are a fault proof vehicle and we should all have one of them. Yeah right!!!!!!!
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Follow Up By: ajd - Monday, Sep 01, 2008 at 17:25

Monday, Sep 01, 2008 at 17:25
What does imploded actually mean?

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Follow Up By: Blaze - Monday, Sep 01, 2008 at 17:50

Monday, Sep 01, 2008 at 17:50
AJD.

This is explosion inside block, number 3 piston loosing part of its crown that was then pushed into the head and the block is cracked also, or so Mr Nissan says. No outward damage or visual problems.

As for you Uncle Des, you know the vehicle and it has been looked after better than most offroad vehicles I know..

As for the Mitsi fault proof comment, do search on Mitsubishi faults.... Hmmmmmmm Not many returns Old fella... LOL
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Reply By: briann532 - Monday, Sep 01, 2008 at 17:25

Monday, Sep 01, 2008 at 17:25
Geez 1007 thousand K's.

Thats good mileage. Actually 1million and 7 thousand........
Hope my GUIV gets that out of her!!!!

On a serious note, I realise its a typo, but I have had 3 GU's all 3.0l td's and no trouble.
I dump the oil every 5 thousand and service every 10.
Most stories I have heard, and there have been plenty, of 3.0l busting a boiler are from ex fleet or handbook serviced vehicles.

I don't care what Nissan or anyone else says. In Oz oil needs to be changed every 5000k's.
High temperatures, cr*p fuel and dust............

I do hope Nissan have fixed the problem as I'm sure the next model will be "green" with no live axle!!! A big backwards step for off roaders.
Just my 1.5 cents worth. Hope it helps
Brian
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Follow Up By: Blaze - Monday, Sep 01, 2008 at 17:46

Monday, Sep 01, 2008 at 17:46
Definately Typo,

107 Thousand K's,

Vehicle is from new and serviced ever 5,000k, only time it has missed the service was last trip, vehicle did 10,000k this time.
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Follow Up By: Member - AJB (VIC) - Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 18:09

Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 18:09
Yes the Nissan GU 3-0 is a "precious machine". Frequent oil changes, not too much not too little not that type of oil now this type of oil etc etc. Fact is the engine is the weak link in the package which is a shame as the rest is quite good. The care and diligence that the engine requires to make it last to a reasonable age is ridiculous. I remember an old Isuzu I had that is still going and the oil was changed every 25,000 k's whether it needed it or not!
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Reply By: On Patrol (Project TONI) - Monday, Sep 01, 2008 at 20:36

Monday, Sep 01, 2008 at 20:36
Blaze
I dont belive this post, anyone only has to do a simple search to get all the answers they could possibly ever need.
Colin.
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Follow Up By: Blaze - Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 02:01

Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 02:01
Guess I dont know how to use the search engine then... I typed in 3ltr nissan, blow up and got hundred and hundred of posts. In first 8 pages not one with a Nissan blown motor.

If its so easy tell me what to put in search engine, remebering I want post 2004 Nissan 3ltrs with blown motors..

Cheers
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Follow Up By: On Patrol (Project TONI) - Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 07:09

Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 07:09
Blaze
Your question, just age related, will possibly not get the answer you desire as the ZD30 engines in the patrol (post 2002) are popping at 150000km plus (Mine at 183000) now where as pre 2002 were popping at around 85000km.

Therefore there arnt too many 2004+ with that sort of kms on them them yet. But I see no reason to suggest they will be any better as the modifications done by Nissan were done in mid 2002 and the ONLY change since then has been the Common Rail last year, and who knows if that is the answer?????

As for the search have you tried (ZD30 or burnt piston)
Colin.
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Follow Up By: Member - AJB (VIC) - Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 18:03

Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 18:03
My 2000 model popped at 195,000 but it was serviced fastidiously so should have lasted forever.
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Monday, Sep 01, 2008 at 20:50

Monday, Sep 01, 2008 at 20:50
I have a feeling that when and if the new V6 crd Patrol is released next year,,, if it ever happens.. I wont be the first to place an order... If they cant get an inline 4 cylinder right after nearly 10 years, what hope do they have with a more complex V6 CRD..... Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 03:13

Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 03:13
Michael

I could not agree more

Nissan had arguably the best diesel in the world, in their 4.2 TD, and changed it to the 3.0 lt hand grenade !

Why ...?? .....why not do some work on the head, and get the exhaust fumes up to scratch ?

Decisions made at board room level, no input from those that matter, and backhanded corporate deals.

Why say any more, I'lll stick to my new ( secondhand ) 4.2 TD Patrol

Cheers
Bucky
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Reply By: psproule - Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 06:42

Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 06:42
Head on over to http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/ and join the hundreds of others who suffered the same fate. They also have a lot of good info on how to handle Nissan over the matter as well as info on how to stop it happening again.

Current consensus is that a dirty or faulty MAF is usually the cause - ECU sees less airflow so ups the boost some more and eventually it goes bang.
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Reply By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) The O - Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 08:30

Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 08:30
It's like any engine, you will always get the odd one fail, so many thing that can cause engine failure.

It doesn't mean every 3lt. Nissans motor will do it.

I thought the engines that failed were 2001 to mid 2002 models.

Michael, the new engine is designed by Renault.

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Follow Up By: Mark S (cns) - Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 14:06

Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 14:06
Yeah, it's all quite interesting, and I digress slightly...

The same 3.0L is in the D22 navara's (up to when nissan briefly stopped production, then started again with the 2.5L CRD.).
These Nav 3.0L's have a different engine management & turbo setup, and have not gone bang like the same motor in the patrol, so, it would appear that these ZD30 motors are actually fine, it's all the ancillary hardware in the patrol that kills them!
Begs the question as to why nissan would pull the 'soild' ZD30 setup in the navara, which was (by all reports) troublefree, but leave the 'problematic' ZD30 setup in the patrol? Maybe the CRD'ing the ZD30 has actually done a lot to fix the problem?

Also, the current 3.0L is also a renault motor, so no surprise the new one will be also

cheers
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Reply By: Leroy - Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 13:40

Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 13:40
I think you need to provide more info. I was in wonangatta earlier in the year and an '04 series 4 was bellowing smoke. No the engine didn't 'implode' as you put it, the turbo failed.

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Blaze - Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 14:18

Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 14:18
Hi Leroy,

I wrote this above, what other info do you suggest I put:

number 3 piston loosing part of its crown that was then pushed into the head and the block is cracked also, or so Mr Nissan says. No outward damage or visual problems.

Hope you can assist.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 14:28

Tuesday, Sep 02, 2008 at 14:28
that's ample didn't see that post. I don't think you are going to find too many later models with that issue unlike the 2000/1 models.
Good luck to your mate dealing with Nissan HO and Val Davies.

Leroy
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Reply By: GUPatrol - Wednesday, Sep 03, 2008 at 09:39

Wednesday, Sep 03, 2008 at 09:39
Have you guys seen this??

http://www.pradopoint.com/viewtopic.php?t=3107
http://www.pradopoint.com/viewtopic.php?t=...c&start=300

http://www.motorsm.com/complaints/update/d...ay.asp?aid=2345
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) The O - Wednesday, Sep 03, 2008 at 19:45

Wednesday, Sep 03, 2008 at 19:45
Ignore this clown!

He started another thread titles "Toyota D4D engine having troubles? "

That thread got pulled about 1 hour ago...I wonder why!

He said he was finding out some information for his friends who had Hilux's.

I'm sure some people are only on here to cause bleep .

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