Diesel XTrail Opinions
Submitted: Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 14:29
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HowdyDoody
I have posted on this site previously about the Diesel XTrail trying to find out when it is available. Now that it is here, does anybody have any experience/feedback on them? We are not after a car for heavy duty 4WDing, more a fuel efficient car that will tow, fit kids in the back and handle beaches and some rough dirt roads (as clearance will allow). Will it handle Fraser Island?
Reply By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 14:46
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 14:46
Once these type of 4WD's and AWD's would not have been even considered as having any place among the "proper so called 4WD's....ie landcruiser/ patrol/ disco/ etc".
However I have noticed that just lately 4WD magazines are starting to do serious articles about their offroad manners and abilities.......WHY?
For 2 reasons...1 the price of fuel
2 their increasing popularity
We of the old school have had our day..... but there is a new,
young and savvy generation rising up who are taking these vehicles on and achieving the unthinkable with them....ie
simpson desert crossing etc...these vehicles are light, powerfull and very cheap to run.
When I did the GCR and the GRR...I was amazed with what I saw....and they just took these small vehicles out there in spite of us... : ) .....and HAD FUN.
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 14:48
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 14:48
PS....they are the NEW market.....
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Follow Up By: HowdyDoody - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 14:55
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 14:55
Redbakk, you nearly hit on the mark there. XTrail for us is the cost efficient way to still get access to the lifestyle we enjoy without outlaying all the moola we need to for something much bigger (inc running costs) - in about 5 yrs we will be upgrading to something bigger. Being at that stage where we are just starting a family, we are more inclined to leave as much moola in the bank as possible.
So I guess my main question is, considering the type of driving we would be doing in it (not the hard stuff), do you think it is a wise choice?
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Reply By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 15:25
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 15:25
Fraser? How much clearance does it have? Have lost count of the number of soft-roaders I've pulled/seen pulled out of the soft sand on Fraser...
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Follow Up By: HowdyDoody - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 15:46
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 15:46
Ground clearance according to their specs - 200mm.
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Reply By: Member Brian (Gold Coast) - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 16:34
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 16:34
Not sure the X-Trail has a low-range? There are times when Low Range is the only way out......
The ground clearance may be an issue as
well..... particularly in some
places on Fraser Island.
Happy to be corrected on either of the above!
Cheers
Brian
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Follow Up By: chisel - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 21:50
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 21:50
No low range.
Ground clearance was an issue for one I saw stuck on Moreton recently. But the newer ones might be better.
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Reply By: stevesub - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 17:04
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 17:04
We ran a Freelander offroad for 4 years and had a ball. No low range, 180mm clearance but nothing that a solid skid plate, snatch strap, shovel, winch and a heavy right foot could not cope with.
Our biggest problems were soft sand and ruts that the bigger 4wd's had made in.
We did some awesome things in it but are glad we now own and use a Rangie and Troopy off road.
Most of the modern soft off roaders do not have anywhere to attach a solid skid plate to, I know my mate has my old Freelander skid plate for his X-Trail but there is no where to mount it and it looks like it he a very expensive gearbox in the firing line for rocks, etc which is limiting where he can go
However we are considering downsizing the Rangie next year and our problem is what to buy as we still want to get around some seriously soft rutted sand. The Troopy being a camper is really only a 2 seater and we need a 4/5 seater for the sand. That is next years problem so I am not expecting replies as to what I should buy right now.
Stevesub
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 17:06
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 17:06
There was an earlier thread in these forums referring to the relatively poor economy of the diesel model when compared to the fuel version.
In fact here we go. (Nissan Australia Spec)
Petrol 9.3 Litres / 100KM
Diesel 8.1 Litres / 100KM
Based on this you wouldn't buy the Diesel just for a fuel saving, not having driven either you would perhaps drive both and make your own mind, I would think the Diesel model to make better torque down low.
Petrol 226nm @ 4400RPM (Note the high rpm spec of 4400)
Diesel 320-360nm @ 2000RPM (Manual / Auto 320-360nm)
The diesel would have far better towing pull and thrust off the mark with those torque figures, you may want the wife to approve the noticeably louder and bang bang diesel engine vs the Petrol.
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 17:17
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 17:17
P.S. Don't forget the towing rating difference between the Auto & Manual Diesel model. (Big Difference)
Manual - 1350KG Braked Towing Capacity
Auto - 2000KG Braked Towing Capacity
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Follow Up By: HowdyDoody - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 17:18
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 17:18
Hehehehe. I am the wife. We really want to head for the Cruiser, Prado etc but the bank balance just wont allow it right now. Had Hilux up until earlier this year then sold as company car arrived. Also considered hilux dual cab etc but it needs to be something we can easily mess around with kids in.
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 17:49
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 17:49
Hi HD,
Well thats a surprise and good on yer for asking all the right questions. I have the current model Hilux Dual Cab , my wife has a cruiser. The kids complain about the bumpy ride in the back of the Hilux , we need the Cruiser for the 8 seats and luggage carrying capacity. The Xtrail would be a smart buy because it is an all rounder , bridging
the gap between family car , weekend lifestyle solution and off roader if needed.
OK it's smaller but you can always tow a trailer or put a luggage solution on the roof to give yourself more capacity.
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 17:53
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 17:53
Hi there TerraFirma, I think thats around the wrong way.......
2,000kg braked towing capacity (manual)
1,350kg braked towing capacity (auto)
This is from the Nissan website. The auto has always been a bit of an issue on the xtrails when working them hard especially on the sand, and I believe still an issue hence why the auto has lower towing capacity still on the diesel. Possibly a bigger transmission cooler would solve the issue (as advised by Nissan to my mate after cooking his) although you would think Nissan would do this from the factory so they could up the towing rate. They also revert back to 2wd even when locked in 4wd when the auto tranny gets hot to protect the transmission but didnt stop my mates from cooking. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 17:56
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 17:56
Hi Stephen, Thanks for correcting me, the manual off course has the better towing rating.
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Follow Up By: chisel - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 21:53
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 21:53
Don't think it is the auto itself which overheats - just the 4x4 system. My mate has a manual and still has the problem in long stretches of deep soft sand.
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 22:00
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 22:00
Interesting point chisel, havnt heard anything about the manual. We are going for a run upto Stockon in a few weeks time (weather pending) and one of the girls from my work wants to go with us and hers is manual, hopefully there wont be any issues BUT will wait and see. I presume the warmer the day the hotter the 4wd system gets if thats the issue as
well as the density of the sand ??? Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 22:02
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 22:02
Should be "Stockton" not Stockon.
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Reply By: Dazmit - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 17:29
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 17:29
Hi
Have at look at where these guys go with their Xtrails
http://www.australianxtrail.com.au/Forum.htm
With the previous model you could buy a front bashplate, fit a smaller muffler and a 30mm lift kit and they become quite a good offroader.
Cheers
Darryl
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Reply By: Mark Taylor - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 19:03
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 19:03
I now drive a Disco 3... and have had a lot of "real" 4WDs over the past 35 years.
However I used to own a Hyundai Tucson that I lifted to the same height as a standard Pajero. I took that to Fraser Island twice. Switched off the traction control, locked in AWD and away we went all over the island. At Lake Mackenzie I had drivers of "real" 4WDs asking me how I got there. Tyre pressures at 18 PSI.
However..... on the second trip when they hadn't had rain for 8 weeks and the inland tracks were churned up... the old Hyundai met it's match. I borrowed a lifted Pajero and it really struggled to get around. The rain bringing moisture and therefore "density" to the sand made it easy the first time. I even passed a BMW X5 at Central Forest Station.
I guess the answer in short is that your XTRAIL will go a long way if you have good off road driving skills.... and know its limitations so you don't damage the car, the bush and yourself.
Happy travels.
Mark T
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 19:19
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 19:19
Mark....
spot on m8.......I have over the years help rescue a number of vehicles and the common problem was......no tyre pressure gauge....no shovel....no snatch strap....no air compressor.
With the exception of only two.....the rest were able to drive out by themselves with a little instruction and encouragement.
Of the other two...one of them was a 96 model commadore auto sedan towing a trailer that managed to get stuck on a beach and I towed him 3.5 kilometers backwards (another story) to hard ground.
The moral of the story is you can do anything anywhere....just don't get caught : )
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Reply By: BarryMcKenzie - Tuesday, Sep 09, 2008 at 22:55
Tuesday, Sep 09, 2008 at 22:55
Know very little about diesel xtrails but know 3 people who have owned petrol versions and all had the clutches fail with less than 20'000 kms on the clock and 2 of those had never towed, one of them had only done gold coast/
brisbane return every day.
The one that did tow had towed a tinny once since then has towed a tinny a little and has had another clutch in and g'box rebuilt TWICE, the second rebuild due to the shonky first rebuild which gave it a habit of poping out of gear on hwy.
hope they put an Extreme! clutch in the diesels......
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Reply By: Anglo - Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 15:29
Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 15:29
Have you thought about the Pathfinder? It has the low range & separate chassis and has decent clearance (220mm I think)?
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Follow Up By: HowdyDoody - Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 16:55
Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 16:55
It's funny you mention that. The Pathfinder was our other preference. $$ is something we need to factor in but if the Pathfinder truly is a better option then we will go there instead. Will check it out again.
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