Tyre Wear puzzling - BF Goodrich AT LT 265/76R16

Submitted: Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:37
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I have a mate who has a Pajero fitted with BF Goodrich AT LT 265/76R16 tyres. The tyres were recently balanced and it was noticed that they are significantly out of round and need to be replaced. The tyres were on the rear of the vehicle. The v vehicle is driven by a careful/conservative driver.

Has anyone experienced this before with these or other tyres?

Contact BR Goodrich you say, been tried, no response.
Is this problem restricted to this tyre batch or type?

Need to get the right replacement.
Russ


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Reply By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:48

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:48
May take some investigation to track down the source but have heard there have been some talk about the rear axle/suspension set up....but from memory it may be only in relation to caravans...ie ball weight and towing....but a few folks were having similar problems with tyre wear(source: caravan magazines).....have a few friends with these type of vehicles and they seem to be happy and no tyre issues.
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Reply By: Member - Chris & Debbie (QLD) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:12

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:12
Have the tyres ever been rotated causing the rotation direction to change? as this can cause de-lamination of the belts causing the out of round.
Radial tyres should not have a 5 wheel rotation and wheels moved front to rear and rear to front on the same side only.
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:31

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:31
Haven't heard that before ?
Thought it only applied to directional tyres !!
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:36

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:36
Yes...this the same for me....front to back on same side only
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Follow Up By: Splits - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 15:54

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 15:54
I have never heard of a four wheel only rotation either. The owner's handbook for my 03 Hilux says rotate all five. The diagram shows the spare going to the NSF, NSF to OSR, OSR to OSF, OSF to NSR and NSR to spare.

It says to rotate them at approximately 10,000 ks but this can vary depending on your driving habits and road conditions.

Every other car I have ever owned in both two and four wheel drive has been the same.

Brian
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris & Debbie (QLD) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 16:04

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 16:04
I probably should have added this is my opinion from years of experience as a mechanic (not to say it is right). It also used to be the recommended practice when radial tyres first came on the market This has probably changed now with newer materials and manufacturing techniques but I have seen tyres that have de-laminated including my own with the cause being put down to belt separation from changing rotational direction.
Chris
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Follow Up By: Max - Sydney - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 18:09

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 18:09
Front to back rotation was the only way when radials first cm in to common use 0 1970s & 80s. Since then, manufacturing standards have improved and the handbook for the 80 series L?c allows both.

I have meticulously done 5 wheel rotations since new - on the original Grandtreks, two sets of BFGs and now Cooper H/Ts. In each case, tyre life was amazingly long and tread wear even, with no problems. I have rotated and balanced every 10 - 20 thou, and wheel alignments every now and then.

I usually have an argument with the sales bloke at the tyre place, with him using Chris's statements. Normally I just say "I will take full responsibility" but occasionally point out that when a car pulls one way the first thing they do is swap the front tyres left to right. That normally ends the argument as they all do it.

I reckon the problem is elsewhere - hope Russ's mate has a report from the dealer or the tyres, because he is gong to have to start putting pressure on BFG to examine them and respond.

Max
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Reply By: wicket - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:12

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:12
there should be a red dot on the wheel rim and a red dot on the tyre, these points indicate the high/low point of each. when a new tyre is fitted, to give best results, these red dots should be adjacent each other.
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:39

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:39
Must be when your rims are new....mine long since gone if they existed at all.

However when the new ones were fitted they check for roundness and rim/ tyre weight before they start adding weight when balancing.
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Reply By: Stephen M (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 13:17

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 13:17
Not sure about the 76r ?? Havnt heard of that profile before but I have BFG's 265/75 LT/AT's and at present have no issues with out of round.Never had any issues with them on the old lux either. I havnt rotated mine at all. I was told by Bob Jane that on the prado's because they wear/feather on the passengers front that when rotating the front passengers should go to drivers rear,drivers rear to drivers front,drivers front to passengers rear, and passengers rear to the passengers front. I have never touched them since I bought them. If I do, it will be just front to back and back to front. Not sure what model pajero you are talking about, but would it have anything to do with the IRS if your talking about the latest shape ?? I would imagine that they would just wear in the inside of the rears depending on weight and vehicle set up with IRS ?? Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Member - Prickle (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 15:35

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 15:35
Stephen,

Its an NM pajero.
The wear is quite even its just that it vibrated at 60Kph wasn’t balance and nothing obvious wrong with suspension ( He did query the shocks but was told by Pedders that it wasn’t them) so he checked for out of round and sure enough two were off—one badly.
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 21:06

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 21:06
Can he get hold of another two wheels or one using his spare and put on vehicle just to make sure 100% its the tyres ?? Stuffed shockies will make them jump and down but they have obviously been ok'd. Does the vehicle sit around for long periods of time not getting driven ?? Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Gr11zzly - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 21:46

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 21:46
Didn't realise i could write in this forum myself.
Its my Pajero. It does sit for a while but gets out once or twice a week for about 5-10 k at a time. Mostly because of the shaking.
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:01

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:01
That would'nt be the issue then. Some times they can flat spot if left sitting for a while. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Member - Prickle (SA) - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 08:26

Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 08:26
Thanks everyone for your responses and help for my mate Grizzley.
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