water while free camping
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Member - Redbakk (WA)
What ideas have you guys have / use to treat
water to use in your van especially with a HWS (with sacrificial anode).
Do you use filters / pumps / or what....ie from the river or puddle to the
tank.....what about PH levels....swimming pool chemicals??
Give us your ideas....I need to have something simple to make up 40 -60 litres per day..that can safely go into the van tanks but not to drink....showers, dishes, brushing teeth, etc.
The
drinking water we purchase in 15 litre containers.
Reply By: Member - T N (Qld) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 16:22
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 16:22
Mr Best,
BestOff-Road stock's filter's.
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 16:40
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 16:40
Thanks for the plug Tom, but we don't do
water filters.
I would however suggest as a starting point with murky
water: get a product from a pool
shop known as a flocculent. A small amount of this added to the
water and left to sit overnight takes all the muck to the bottom and leaves clean
water to be decanted.
About $30 a litre and this is enough to treat about 20,000 litres.
Jim.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 18:42
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 18:42
I carry powdered alum, (a floculant) & sprinkle a little across the surface of turbid
water, leave it for a few hours & it is crystal clear.
It is best to siphon off the clean
water as the sediment is easily disturbed.
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Reply By: P7OFFROAD Accredited Driver Training - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 16:29
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 16:29
In my 'other' job, I work in
water quality...
Exactly what are you trying to remove from the
water??
(I find that people spend an amazing amount of time and money trying to rmove insignificant things- esp as this is not for potable
water
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 19:56
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 19:56
I appreciate your view BUT I want to hear what others are doing....how they handle the
water issue....I am interested in what they do...PLEASE dont kill it...thankyou.
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Follow Up By: P7OFFROAD Accredited Driver Training - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 20:08
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 20:08
Rather than trying to 'kill' your thread, I did ask you what you are trying to remove!!
I'm reasonably confident that I'd be able to give you some scientificly based advice on specific
water quality treatments.
If however, you are just looking for a 'magic pill' to drop in the
tank, then I'll bow out now.
cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:04
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:04
NO....I am not looking for anything OTHER than to hear what others are doing or have done....thankyou
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Reply By: Member - Mick O (VIC) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 16:58
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 16:58
There are a heap of van/RV based filter systems available. For off road use I use a dual filter system that I run through the pump on my under bonnet shower (Twine). It has a prefilter and then a .05 micron filter which takes everything out of crappy
water. Maybe excessive for your needs but a single filter of less density is perhaps more suitable. They are good for about 5-10,000 litres. It would be the first thing I put into any future campertrailer or caravan.
Cheers
Mick
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Reply By: Ted G - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 18:04
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 18:04
Redbakk
We use a "Best"
water filter available from Best filters
Gold Coast.
We have used them connected to the inlet hose to the Caravan or when bush to fill the
water tanks fitted to a hose.
We have used them all over OZ for all uses in the van including drinking, they cost about $95 and last at least 5000 litres of
water they can be back washed when necessary.
Well recommended.
Regards Ted
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 20:01
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 20:01
Is it true that you can end for end it after a while to increase it's use....and if you can...how does that work....or is it that you can only use it one way ONLY for it's entire life and the reversing is only to flush it?
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Follow Up By: Ted G - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 19:33
Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 19:33
Redbank
The reversing of the filter cleans it also extends its life if you get a bad batch of
water.
The other thing that we did on one van with twin tanks was to separate the tanks with valves so you only fill one
tank with good
water.
That
tank that has the good
water was fitted with a
hand pump on the sink for drinking, worked terrific where we were away for a long time and certainly a lot cheaper than buying
water in the outback.
The tanks were about 85 litres each.
Regards Ted
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Reply By: jonno89 - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 19:50
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 19:50
I was considering using river
water in an evaporative cooler. and like redbakk, I am concerned about the health risks and the
water quality. What could be used to sterilize the
water, I am concerned about legionela or other bacteria blowing around in the caravan
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Reply By: Member - Cruiser (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 20:12
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 20:12
Redbakk,
Excuse my ignorance, but if you are buying 15 litre containers of
water for drinking, why would you be overly concerned about the
water in your tanks, because you wont be drinking it.
I assume the
tank water is only to be used for showers/
toilets etc and not drinking.
I can see that you dont want whatever goes into the tanks to be to contaminated and leave a residue of gunk in the bottom of the
tank, so surely a filter of some type between the
water source and the
tank will suffice.
Cheers,
Cruiser
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:08
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:08
To see what others have done.......there are people out there with great ideas and I want them to reply.....I don't know everything and I'm sure there are those out there doing stuff like this who could really contribute to this discussion...WHERE ARE YOU.
Some of the replies have been good so far....keep them coming.
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Follow Up By: Member - Cruiser (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:17
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:17
I must admit that I am a little confused by your reply, but I am trying to contribute to this post in a positive way.
I like you, have wondered what to do in the situation that you describe, and last year while away in NW QLD for 3 months in our van we were faced with having to deal with this sort of situation.
We ended up buying a filter that we connected between the
water source, be it town
water or
tank, and that hopefully filtered the
water to some degree.
We also bought bottled
water where necessary for drinking, thus leaving the
tank water for showers/
toilet etc.
Hope this helps,
Cheers, Cruiser
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Reply By: Ozboc - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 20:50
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 20:50
your worried about Ph levels for
water that you will not be consuming ? am i missing something ?
do you check the Ph of the ocean before you take a swim ?
as for
water ---- we ( that being my financial adviser - her 3 kids , 4 7 ,9 and my son 4 ) just use
water out of the river for shower - cooking , cleaning --- dont filter..... and just take bottled
water for drinking ( for the kids -- me bourbon + coke is if enough for me -- ice made from river
water :)
If in doubt -- boil - but presuming your in good health you should have no issues - but then again - we do
camp in
places like
barrington tops where the
water from the river is Pristine .....
Boc
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:13
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:13
Boc...I'm sure there are those out there who do take the time and trouble to protect there systems....they pay $85K plus for their rigs which have pumbing systems that they want to look after....let's hear from them...dont be shy.
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Reply By: Bushed-Tracker - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 21:36
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 21:36
You could consider putting in a dedicated potable 80L
water tank and separate pump. You top it up with whatever you consider good
water when the opportunity arises. Buying bottled
water is a rip-off IMHO and standard house quality
water is just as good.
We have three non-potable tanks and one potable
tank (all 82L)with its own pumping system. I use
bore water, clean looking river/dam
water or
water from
tourist information centres, servo's or wherever for the non potable. We try and keep rain
water or household
water in the potable
tank.
Don't have any filters but probably should - in three yeas full time we have never had a problem of any kind
B-T
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:17
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:17
We always keep our
drinking water seperate....I'm talking of extended stays next to a river and wanting to treat the
water before it goes into the tanks for general use.....I'm sure there are people out there with some great ideas who do this...let's hear from you.
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Follow Up By: techo2oz - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 06:23
Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 06:23
Hi Redbakk,
when I am next to a
water source for an extended period, I simply grab what I need when I need it. EG for a shower, a couple of buckets of
water. Heat one over the
camp fire the other to adjust the temp.
Water in the
tank is always from a potable source. This way I always have enough
water to
cook with and to drink, and don't have to worry about contaminating storage tanks.
This method also ensures that whatever
water is taken is used wisely.
Peter
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Reply By: Member - Au-2 - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:25
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:25
Well Redbakk, my solution to this problem when camped 3hrs from any
water supply was to use brackish
water in still pond and river for washing/showering. The first thing I did was to pour the
water through a funnel filled with fish-
tank filter wool into a 20 ltr Willow jerry-can. This removes all visible gunk, although the
water may still look yellow/brownish. After lugging the jerry back to the
camp-site, I squirted swimming pool strength chlorine into the
water and then left the jerry, with the lid off, out in the sun for the rest of the day. The
water was sparkling clean and stayed that way until the jerry can was empty and the whole process was repeated. I should say here that our camper has a
tank with 140 ltr capacity and this is only used for drinking and cooking on extended stays/trips.
Sheila.
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Reply By: Redback - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:37
Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:37
I use
water filters on my camper, easy to fit, get them from any plumbing supplier and easy to change filters
Baz.
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 13:03
Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 13:03
We have 2 tanks for
drinking water and 2 tanks for washing
water.
We chlorinate ALL our
water when we pick it up (nless it is chlorinated). For this we use 4ml of liquid pool chlorine per 100L of
tank capacity.
Drinking water goes through a 5um filter and a 0.5um active carbon filter just before the tap(s). This removes most things (including the chlorine).
Washing
water goes through a 25um (rock) filter.
It is important, IMHO, to sterilise shower
water as
well as
drinking water. Bugs can easily be breathed in during showering.
All this is based on the fact thatwe don't know the contamination levels of the
water we pick up.
The chlorine will kill most bugs that could otherwise breed inside the
tank and the filters.
One more hing. Fine filters should be flushed if not used for some days as bugs will grow in them too.
Cheers,
Peter.
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Friday, Sep 12, 2008 at 22:25
Friday, Sep 12, 2008 at 22:25
Thankyou everyone for contrbuting to the discussion....was reading a caravan mag today and a reader writes in requesting the same info...so I am not the only one looking for simple and good ideas. There is a lot of ideas out there waiting to be discovered and shared around......again thankyou.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 22:00
Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 22:00
Hi Redbank
Sounds like you will be staying in one spot for some time? Our
water tanks last longer than the diesel tanks, so we try and fill up at servos when re-fuelling. However we are 'touring' rather than staying put.
When camped where
water is good (eg by rivers in the
Kimberley) i just fill a bucket and keep it behind the sink, with a tray on top to keep the dust out and a jug to bail it out for use.
As quick and easy as refilling tanks.
We camped by another Bushtracker (much more modern that ours) and they had a portable filter and pump that they could take
water from buckets and put in into the tanks, and it is supposed to take out all manner of nasties. I didn't notice what type of filter it was, but may be the one a couple of people here have already suggested.
Do you really need to use 40 - 60 litre per day (not including
drinking water) when in areas where
water supplies are difficult to obtain?
If the
water is dodgy and you don't want to risk it in your HWS, use the bucket method (above), and wash in a bowl rather than the shower (uses less
water as
well) instead of fillling your tanks. The anode is there to absorb the minerals so it doesn't harm your HWS - just check the anode more frequently and change when necessary. They are much cheaper to purchase from USA than in Australia, and you can get five or six sent for the same postage fee as one.
When we have a good outside
water source - it is an opportunity to fill up the washing buckets and wash the clothes.
I don't anticipate finding any
water sources such as rivers or pools on our way home from here, so we will just be careful to make what we have last after we fill here at
Yulara.
Motherhen
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