water while free camping

Submitted: Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 15:39
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What ideas have you guys have / use to treat water to use in your van especially with a HWS (with sacrificial anode).

Do you use filters / pumps / or what....ie from the river or puddle to the tank.....what about PH levels....swimming pool chemicals??

Give us your ideas....I need to have something simple to make up 40 -60 litres per day..that can safely go into the van tanks but not to drink....showers, dishes, brushing teeth, etc.

The drinking water we purchase in 15 litre containers.
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Reply By: Member - T N (Qld) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 16:22

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 16:22
Mr Best,
BestOff-Road stock's filter's.
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 16:40

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 16:40
Thanks for the plug Tom, but we don't do water filters.

I would however suggest as a starting point with murky water: get a product from a pool shop known as a flocculent. A small amount of this added to the water and left to sit overnight takes all the muck to the bottom and leaves clean water to be decanted.

About $30 a litre and this is enough to treat about 20,000 litres.

Jim.

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 18:42

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 18:42
I carry powdered alum, (a floculant) & sprinkle a little across the surface of turbid water, leave it for a few hours & it is crystal clear.
It is best to siphon off the clean water as the sediment is easily disturbed.
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Reply By: P7OFFROAD Accredited Driver Training - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 16:29

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 16:29
In my 'other' job, I work in water quality...


Exactly what are you trying to remove from the water??


(I find that people spend an amazing amount of time and money trying to rmove insignificant things- esp as this is not for potable water
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 19:56

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 19:56
I appreciate your view BUT I want to hear what others are doing....how they handle the water issue....I am interested in what they do...PLEASE dont kill it...thankyou.
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Follow Up By: P7OFFROAD Accredited Driver Training - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 20:08

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 20:08
Rather than trying to 'kill' your thread, I did ask you what you are trying to remove!!

I'm reasonably confident that I'd be able to give you some scientificly based advice on specific water quality treatments.

If however, you are just looking for a 'magic pill' to drop in the tank, then I'll bow out now.


cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:04

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:04
NO....I am not looking for anything OTHER than to hear what others are doing or have done....thankyou
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Reply By: Member - Mick O (VIC) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 16:58

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 16:58
There are a heap of van/RV based filter systems available. For off road use I use a dual filter system that I run through the pump on my under bonnet shower (Twine). It has a prefilter and then a .05 micron filter which takes everything out of crappy water. Maybe excessive for your needs but a single filter of less density is perhaps more suitable. They are good for about 5-10,000 litres. It would be the first thing I put into any future campertrailer or caravan.

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Reply By: Ted G - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 18:04

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 18:04
Redbakk
We use a "Best" water filter available from Best filters Gold Coast.
We have used them connected to the inlet hose to the Caravan or when bush to fill the water tanks fitted to a hose.
We have used them all over OZ for all uses in the van including drinking, they cost about $95 and last at least 5000 litres of water they can be back washed when necessary.
Well recommended.
Regards Ted
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 20:01

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 20:01
Is it true that you can end for end it after a while to increase it's use....and if you can...how does that work....or is it that you can only use it one way ONLY for it's entire life and the reversing is only to flush it?
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Follow Up By: Ted G - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 19:33

Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 19:33
Redbank
The reversing of the filter cleans it also extends its life if you get a bad batch of water.
The other thing that we did on one van with twin tanks was to separate the tanks with valves so you only fill one tank with good water.
That tank that has the good water was fitted with a hand pump on the sink for drinking, worked terrific where we were away for a long time and certainly a lot cheaper than buying water in the outback.
The tanks were about 85 litres each.
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Reply By: jonno89 - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 19:50

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 19:50
I was considering using river water in an evaporative cooler. and like redbakk, I am concerned about the health risks and the water quality. What could be used to sterilize the water, I am concerned about legionela or other bacteria blowing around in the caravan
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Reply By: Member - Cruiser (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 20:12

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 20:12
Redbakk,

Excuse my ignorance, but if you are buying 15 litre containers of water for drinking, why would you be overly concerned about the water in your tanks, because you wont be drinking it.

I assume the tank water is only to be used for showers/toilets etc and not drinking.

I can see that you dont want whatever goes into the tanks to be to contaminated and leave a residue of gunk in the bottom of the tank, so surely a filter of some type between the water source and the tank will suffice.

Cheers,

Cruiser
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:08

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:08
To see what others have done.......there are people out there with great ideas and I want them to reply.....I don't know everything and I'm sure there are those out there doing stuff like this who could really contribute to this discussion...WHERE ARE YOU.

Some of the replies have been good so far....keep them coming.
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Follow Up By: Member - Cruiser (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:17

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:17
I must admit that I am a little confused by your reply, but I am trying to contribute to this post in a positive way.

I like you, have wondered what to do in the situation that you describe, and last year while away in NW QLD for 3 months in our van we were faced with having to deal with this sort of situation.

We ended up buying a filter that we connected between the water source, be it town water or tank, and that hopefully filtered the water to some degree.

We also bought bottled water where necessary for drinking, thus leaving the tank water for showers/toilet etc.

Hope this helps,

Cheers, Cruiser
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Reply By: Ozboc - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 20:50

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 20:50
your worried about Ph levels for water that you will not be consuming ? am i missing something ?

do you check the Ph of the ocean before you take a swim ?

as for water ---- we ( that being my financial adviser - her 3 kids , 4 7 ,9 and my son 4 ) just use water out of the river for shower - cooking , cleaning --- dont filter..... and just take bottled water for drinking ( for the kids -- me bourbon + coke is if enough for me -- ice made from river water :)

If in doubt -- boil - but presuming your in good health you should have no issues - but then again - we do camp in places like barrington tops where the water from the river is Pristine .....

Boc


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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:13

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:13
Boc...I'm sure there are those out there who do take the time and trouble to protect there systems....they pay $85K plus for their rigs which have pumbing systems that they want to look after....let's hear from them...dont be shy.
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Reply By: Bushed-Tracker - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 21:36

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 21:36
You could consider putting in a dedicated potable 80L water tank and separate pump. You top it up with whatever you consider good water when the opportunity arises. Buying bottled water is a rip-off IMHO and standard house quality water is just as good.

We have three non-potable tanks and one potable tank (all 82L)with its own pumping system. I use bore water, clean looking river/dam water or water from tourist information centres, servo's or wherever for the non potable. We try and keep rain water or household water in the potable tank.

Don't have any filters but probably should - in three yeas full time we have never had a problem of any kind
B-T
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:17

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:17
We always keep our drinking water seperate....I'm talking of extended stays next to a river and wanting to treat the water before it goes into the tanks for general use.....I'm sure there are people out there with some great ideas who do this...let's hear from you.
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Follow Up By: techo2oz - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 06:23

Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 06:23
Hi Redbakk,
when I am next to a water source for an extended period, I simply grab what I need when I need it. EG for a shower, a couple of buckets of water. Heat one over the camp fire the other to adjust the temp.

Water in the tank is always from a potable source. This way I always have enough water to cook with and to drink, and don't have to worry about contaminating storage tanks.

This method also ensures that whatever water is taken is used wisely.

Peter
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Reply By: Member - Au-2 - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:25

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:25
Well Redbakk, my solution to this problem when camped 3hrs from any water supply was to use brackish water in still pond and river for washing/showering. The first thing I did was to pour the water through a funnel filled with fish-tank filter wool into a 20 ltr Willow jerry-can. This removes all visible gunk, although the water may still look yellow/brownish. After lugging the jerry back to the camp-site, I squirted swimming pool strength chlorine into the water and then left the jerry, with the lid off, out in the sun for the rest of the day. The water was sparkling clean and stayed that way until the jerry can was empty and the whole process was repeated. I should say here that our camper has a tank with 140 ltr capacity and this is only used for drinking and cooking on extended stays/trips.
Sheila.
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Reply By: Redback - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:37

Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:37
I use water filters on my camper, easy to fit, get them from any plumbing supplier and easy to change filters




Baz.
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 13:03

Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 13:03
We have 2 tanks for drinking water and 2 tanks for washing water.
We chlorinate ALL our water when we pick it up (nless it is chlorinated). For this we use 4ml of liquid pool chlorine per 100L of tank capacity.
Drinking water goes through a 5um filter and a 0.5um active carbon filter just before the tap(s). This removes most things (including the chlorine).
Washing water goes through a 25um (rock) filter.
It is important, IMHO, to sterilise shower water as well as drinking water. Bugs can easily be breathed in during showering.
All this is based on the fact thatwe don't know the contamination levels of the water we pick up.
The chlorine will kill most bugs that could otherwise breed inside the tank and the filters.
One more hing. Fine filters should be flushed if not used for some days as bugs will grow in them too.

Cheers,
Peter.
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Friday, Sep 12, 2008 at 22:25

Friday, Sep 12, 2008 at 22:25
Thankyou everyone for contrbuting to the discussion....was reading a caravan mag today and a reader writes in requesting the same info...so I am not the only one looking for simple and good ideas. There is a lot of ideas out there waiting to be discovered and shared around......again thankyou.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 22:00

Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 22:00
Hi Redbank

Sounds like you will be staying in one spot for some time? Our water tanks last longer than the diesel tanks, so we try and fill up at servos when re-fuelling. However we are 'touring' rather than staying put.

When camped where water is good (eg by rivers in the Kimberley) i just fill a bucket and keep it behind the sink, with a tray on top to keep the dust out and a jug to bail it out for use.
As quick and easy as refilling tanks.

We camped by another Bushtracker (much more modern that ours) and they had a portable filter and pump that they could take water from buckets and put in into the tanks, and it is supposed to take out all manner of nasties. I didn't notice what type of filter it was, but may be the one a couple of people here have already suggested.

Do you really need to use 40 - 60 litre per day (not including drinking water) when in areas where water supplies are difficult to obtain?

If the water is dodgy and you don't want to risk it in your HWS, use the bucket method (above), and wash in a bowl rather than the shower (uses less water as well) instead of fillling your tanks. The anode is there to absorb the minerals so it doesn't harm your HWS - just check the anode more frequently and change when necessary. They are much cheaper to purchase from USA than in Australia, and you can get five or six sent for the same postage fee as one.

When we have a good outside water source - it is an opportunity to fill up the washing buckets and wash the clothes.

I don't anticipate finding any water sources such as rivers or pools on our way home from here, so we will just be careful to make what we have last after we fill here at Yulara.

Motherhen






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