Reply from Geoscience re post 61410

Submitted: Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 09:55
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Thank you for your feedback on possible shortcomings in the accuracy of our 1:250 000 maps.



The production of these maps has been undertaken using the following criteria:



Data was converted from our printed maps to digital mapping format.


Satellite imagery (best available at the time) was obtained to update the information shown on the map.


All available mapping information published over the area both Government and commercial mapping was sourced.


In a majority of the central part of Australia we were able to draw on the resources of GPS surveyed public roads and tracks.


Using this information we updated the maps using the premise that if we can not confirm that a feature does not exist it is retained as captured in our major mapping program of Australia. The assembly of our original mapping information entailed an extensive program of field verification to confirm the existence of homesteads, bores, windmills and fences and to remove these features without supporting reference may be more dangerous to map users.



We are aware of shortcomings in this method of updating however it was the method within our budget that would provide Australia with 513 maps at a consistent scale of 1:250 000 of Australia.



The digital data used to produce these maps is now assembled into an Australia wide database and over the past three years we have identified areas of change or subject to development applications. Maps are currently being revised in these areas to available information.



Our limited resources do not permit us to undertake detailed field inspection of all map sheets and we are therefore very dependent on information supplied by concerned map users as you.



Addressing the issues raised in your email we can confirm that we are undertaking a major review of the Flinders Ranges area in collaboration with SA Government agencies. Information obtained will be used to update our mapping database and activate the production of new maps of the area.



The depiction of sand dunes at 1:250 000 scale is a selection of those depicted from mapping sources. Our intention is to supply sufficient information at scale to depict to the user the extent of sand dunes. Please supply more information of the sand dune height issue to enable investigation of our sources.



We have investigated the road detail in the Broken Hill area to newer source information and we can confirm we will undertake a review of this information. Once again, if you are able to supply more information obtained from your travels to assist in this matter it would be greatly appreciated.



As you can gather we are very receptive to feedback from our map users. Receipt of any information is investigated and confirmed from additional mapping sources. The mapping database is subsequently updated and this new information will flow through to maps produced of the area.



The product ‘Digital Maps 2008’ of the 1:250 000 maps is now available. A major enhancement to the graphical user interface permits the display of the map and satellite image ‘split screen’ or to use the map as a transparency over the image. The maps have been produced from our mapping database with edge match consistencies removed between the 513 maps. Some updated information will appear on these maps that has not yet flowed through to the printed product and this relates primarily to new roads etc in the populated areas of Australia.



Once again thanks for your feedback and we await the supply of any additional information that will assist in updating our maps.


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I shall be replying in due course giving details of my findings.

Cheers
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Reply By: Vince NSW - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:52

Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:52
Good Morning Willem

It is good to see that Geoscience is open to input from their users.
I do not cover to Km you do in your travels but have found WRONG information on a number of the 1:250,000 maps. I will now supply these to Geoscience with GPS plots.
Thanks for paving the way again
Vince
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Follow Up By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:45

Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:45
Please also load the plots into PlotSwap we are also working to assist geoScience with updates to mapping from our databases.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 13:01

Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 13:01
G'day

I do not keep plots or waypoints of any trips. To me its a waste of time as there is so much to see and do whilst travelling. Am tripleader on most occasions and have to keep an eye out on where I am going across the great vastness of the inland :-)


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Follow Up By: Member - Ross S (QLD) - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 15:45

Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 15:45
I know what you mean.

But I like to be able to show people exactly where I've been so I bought one of these:

GPS Watch

(I have no affiliation with this company just a satisfied customer).

I have it set for logging the postition every 15 seconds and this gives 540 hours of log. It can be set to between 1 and 30 seconds (36hrs to 1620hrs)

All I have to do is remember to turn it on at the start of the day and turn it off at the end of the day. When I get home I then download all the logs to the computer and can then convert them to gpx or what ever.

Additionally it helps with remembering where the photos where taken. As, so long as your camera time/date and the time/date on the watch are the same, you can link the photos to the track on google earth or what every mapping program you use.

Having just come back from a trip of 6000kms, I have now downloaded all the logs and then uploaded and edited them on open street map. Shortly I will upload the same to plotswap.

While its doing it's logging I don't need to interact with it at all and I have a complete log of our trips.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 16:20

Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 16:20
Ross

That watch. What a lovely toy!!!...lol

I make notes every evening as I travel and once home again name all of the photos taken while the memory is still fresh. I used to have a laptop but it died of old age so now I am back to making notes.

My PDA actually tracks my routes but I never bother downloading them


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Reply By: Member - Ross S (QLD) - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:56

Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:56
How about also entering that plot info into openstreetmap.org

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Reply By: equinox - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:15

Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:15
Hi Willem,

Good on you for keeping them updated. Geoscience also uses information provided by the State / Territory Departments listed HERE

Even though Natmaps have flaws, they still beat Hema maps by a country mile in my opinion. They are good for commonly used tracks, thats about it. I don't think Hema even know what the word topography means.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 13:06

Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 13:06
G'day Alan

Have replied to the email and have sent some scanned maps off with scribble on them such as shown below

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I like to print Hema Maps in sections for a planned route and then use Natmap 250K on the PDA for seeing exactly where I am and for following bearings.

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Reply By: Member - Footloose - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:31

Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:31
Well done ! Excellent outcome.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 13:09

Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 13:09
G'day Footy

How is life treating you?

I am busy planning for another BIG trek out west next year. Hope the fuel doesn't hit $5 litre by then...LOL



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Follow Up By: Member - Footloose - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 20:21

Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 20:21
Hi Willem. A BIG trip eh ? I'm off o/s in Feb, and probably won't have any $$ to go tripping. Have to go, unfortunately, but on the bright side most of it is 4wd.
I take it you'll be visiting places we've previously spoken about ? Lucky buggar. Keep me informed anyway.
Just trying to keep out of too much strife on here is a full time job LOL
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