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Submitted: Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 18:26
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What do you do when one of the brake caliper pistons will not retract into the caliper.

I started to replace the front brake pads on the troopcarrier, noticed that one of the pads had worn more on one end than the other, on investigation found one piston stuck.

Have already snapped a G-clamp trying to force it back in.

Can anybody offer a solution

Thanks Michael
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 18:29

Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 18:29
Lots of WD40 and perhaps an air hose in the bleed hole.

Or tap it with a hammer against a block of wood on the high side

Usually the g clamp into the centre and tap it with the pressure on after applying wd40 after taking the rubber seal off
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 18:31

Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 18:31
Gday,

Id take your calliper into a brake specialist.


Cheers
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 18:56

Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 18:56
Yes you can drown them in WD40, scrape the crud off, clean them up with emery........
But..
If your having trouble getting the piston in, I doubt you have the gear to hone the bores and fit new seals.
If you dont they may work they may not. They will probably weap and chances are it will saturate your new pads with brake fluid or wear them unevenly again reduceing their life.

Not to mention brake failure!

Take it in and get it done properly the first time, I think you will be supprised how cheap it is.

Cheers
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Reply By: neil&brenda - Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 18:37

Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 18:37
Michael, Have just done the same thing. You have to scrape around the edge of the piston with a screw driver or knife to get off the crud. Then give it a good spray with WD40 or equivalent. Give the "G" another go. Make sure the cap of the brake reservoir is off. Otherwise you are attempting to push against the system! I know what will win.
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Reply By: Member - Glenn G (QLD) - Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 18:43

Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 18:43
Michael46

How important is stopping your car ,in your list of priorities in life?Mate, take it to a specialist.Its a bit different to mucking around with the carby on a red motor (If it don't work ,it don't matter )

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Giffo
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Follow Up By: Pete Jackman (SA) - Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008 at 19:37

Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008 at 19:37
I once stripped down the stromberg carby on my 186 HR Holden and put a service kit in.

Put it back together and it started first try. She was running a little rough so I went to adjust the idle screw - which wasn't there. I found it on the floor inside where I had been working. It ran a little better with it back in!

Good motors.

Pete
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Reply By: Member - Rodney B- Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 18:49

Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 18:49
Michael
If its stuck its either wedged in crooked or it's seized. If seized you want it out to replace the seals and clean the rust out of the callipers. If jammed see if you can pick which angle the piston is sitting at and apply your clamp gently to straighten it. In either case you are going to have to take the piston out to assess any damage. Apply some gentle heat to the calliper to expand it either boiling water or low blow torch (don't put it directly on the calliper) Clamp the other calliper and apply brake pressure to see if the piston will come out.

good luck
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Reply By: Member - Rob S (NSW) - Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 18:54

Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 18:54
Hi Michael
1st,try, release the bleed screw and then try to move it back with a clamp.

2nd , Try with a assistant ,get them to pump the brake pedal in a small amount while you watch the piston to see if it moves out
it will only need to move about 3mm ( not all the way out )to help free it up and then try to push it back.

3rd, it is possibly seized solid rusty etc,pump the brake pedal until you pump out the piston and fit a new seal kit and piston if the piston is rusted.

4th what Hairy said.

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Reply By: Member - Roscoe ET (QLD) - Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 19:23

Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 19:23
Michael if it's jammed it is likely water has caused it to seize in there, therefore you'll most likely have some pitting on the walls of the cylinder which is extremely difficult to remove with a hone.

Consequently, it will be very difficult to get a seal that will not eventually leak and cause brake failure.

Personally, I would bother trying to fix it. I'd replace. Speaking from experience.
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Reply By: Splits - Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 22:44

Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 22:44
"What do you do when one of the brake calliper pistons will not retract into the calliper"

Michael.

The answer to that question is simple: you take it out. If it won't slide back in freely then it will almost certainly stick again. It may not happen the first few times you use the brakes but it wont be long.

The usual way to get it out is with compressed air. You always put a piece of wood into the calliper first so the piston does not come flying right out at blinding speed when it lets go.

Once you get it out, it is usually just a matter of cleaning the piston and calliper and reassembling them with a new seal lubricated with either brake fluid or rubber grease. I overhauled countless callipers at work years ago and I can not remember ever having to replace a calliper and I very rarely had to replace a piston. Corrosion in the calliper is not very common and it does not cause any problems anyway because the seal is stationary in it. The piston slides through the seal instead of the seal sliding in the bore of the calliper like it does in wheel cylinders or master cylinders. As long as the piston is clean, smooth and shiny, then it is ok. Clean it up with 1500 to 2000 wet or dry paper.

Don't forget to replace the copper washers on the hoses. If you can't get new ones then the usual thing is to soften them before using them again by heating them until they are red and dropping them into water.

If you don't have the facilities to do this, then take it to a brake specialists. There is not much labour involved in overhauling callipers once they have been taken off the car so it should not be expensive.

While you are at it, do both sides because they will both be in much the same condition. If the car is getting on a bit in both age and mileage, then you will probably find the rest of the hydraulic system also needs attention.

Brian
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Follow Up By: Michael46 - Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 23:30

Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 23:30
Thanks Brian and all the other respondants.

In view of all this information and as the calipers are off the car I am going to take them to a brake specialist tomorrow for repair. I would prefer to know that they are reliable and not going to cause me problems when we are a long way from home.

Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - Rob S (NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008 at 19:25

Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008 at 19:25
Spot on Brian some guys that have posted haven't properly got a good grasp on how the brake piston in the calliper seals.As long as the piston isn't deeply scored or worn and the seal is good in the calliper cylinder, should be all ok. The bore in the cylinder is not critical.
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Reply By: Grizzle - Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008 at 14:56

Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008 at 14:56
if the caliper is aluminium you can also soak the area in vinegar (don't laugh). aluminium is alkaline ( I think I've got it the right way round) and vinegar is acid so it neutrallises the aluminium oxide build up. we used to do it in UK on seized brakes.

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