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Why is a HF Radio either a "Type approved Land Mobile" OR an Amateur Radio, and what is the difference ?
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Reply By: SteveL - Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 23:07

Monday, Sep 15, 2008 at 23:07
The main difference is that Land mobile radios are designed for commercial / emergency purposes and operate on fixed frequencies (channels) mostly using Upper Sideband Only.Amateur radios can "free tune" across the available amateur bands (and others if modified) and can use different modes such as CW,AM & LSB.-SteveL
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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008 at 00:59

Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008 at 00:59
I think this question has been answered in this HF Thread and This One also

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008 at 01:14

Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008 at 01:14
This Thread is also well worth the read.
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008 at 06:37

Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008 at 06:37
If you just pay for a Licence to operate e.g. VKS737, you can only operate on a few frequencies and only using Type Approved equipment. It's illegal to use Amateur type radios on these commercial frequencies, except in an emergency.

If you learn radio theory and regulations and get an Amateur Licence you can operate ONLY on Amateur Bands (NOT VKS737 etc) and you don't have to use Type Approved equipment - you can even build your own equipment.
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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008 at 08:30

Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008 at 08:30
Hi Mike
I think the days of 'homebrew' equipment is just about over. All the hi-tech black box stuff has well and truly taken over.
I've still got some rigs I built including 70cm- HF linear- a really mean power supply etc.
Cheers & 73s

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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:59

Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:59
Yeah, that's what I was thinking as I wrote it - those days of someone building atransceiver are over.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008 at 18:58

Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008 at 18:58
Not at all!

I may not be able to knock up something like my Yaesu FT857D in my workshop but there is still _one hell_ of a lot of experimental work done by the Amateur community in many, many areas of radio.
Do a net search lads.

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Reply By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008 at 18:55

Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008 at 18:55
>Why is a H.F. Radio either a "Type approved Land Mobile"
>OR an Amateur Radio

It may not be either – HF radios used in aircraft amongst many others do not fall into either category.

>and what is the difference ?

AS4770 is the standard which radios are required to meet in order to be “Type Approved Land Mobiles”. The major difference required for these radios by the standard is, as mentioned by SteveL, that they be “channilised”. The concept being that people who are unfamiliar with technical things will be able to operate them with ease – this point has some merit.

Amateur Radios can do pretty much anything (useful if you’re got an emergency on your hands) and provided you are comfortable with modern technology should not be beyond the capability of the modern individual to understand their operation – most of us manage computers, GPS’, mobile phones, etc?

Best thing is to go for the Amateur Radio Foundation Licence:

http://www.wia.org.au/licences/foundation/about/

in order to discover a little more – it will also give you the ability to talk to people all over the world on HF and the other bands (2m, 70cm etc) will make UHF CB pale into insignificance.

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Follow Up By: Luke2 - Saturday, Oct 11, 2008 at 15:57

Saturday, Oct 11, 2008 at 15:57
Mike - what might it cost to set up with an amateur radio with an antenna suitable for vehicle use? I understand that officially it can't be used for VKS737 so I'm asking hypothetically. And I presume that amateur radios don't come with a remote head?
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Saturday, Oct 11, 2008 at 19:13

Saturday, Oct 11, 2008 at 19:13
"It may not be either – HF radios used in aircraft amongst many others do not fall into either category."

Just because aircraft radios are not tested with land mobile specifications does not mean they have to pass some other specification. The aviation people have their own specifications. So Mike your statement is a little lacking.

Land mobile radios operate on fixed channels so that anyone can operate them. Amateur radios may only be operated by people who have demonstrated a knowledge of radio theory, operating procedures and regulations.

Amateur equipment is not type approved but the operators have to cease operating if they cause interference.

LMRS transmitter specifications include rigid frequency stability specs and very tight specs to limit their spurious emissions.

LMRS receivers have to pass very rigid tests to prove their ability to suppress adjacent channel and other signals.

These type approval tests are conducted over a wide range ofl ambient temperatures.

PeterD

ps - if you have amateur radio equipment in your possession that is capable of being operated and you do not hold an operators certificate you are guilty of an offence - penalty - imprisonment not exceeding 2 years.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Oct 11, 2008 at 21:17

Saturday, Oct 11, 2008 at 21:17
>LMRS transmitter specifications include rigid frequency stability
>specs and very tight specs to limit their spurious emissions.

>LMRS receivers have to pass very rigid tests to prove their ability to
>suppress adjacent channel and other signals.

>These type approval tests are conducted over a wide range ofl
>ambient temperatures.

Do they really?

So PeterD please tell me the specification a Land Mobile has to meet (hint. I've quoted the Oz Standard on here many times before) and detail how that differs from, say, a Yaesu FT857D?

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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Oct 12, 2008 at 15:08

Sunday, Oct 12, 2008 at 15:08
Hello Lucas

>Mike - what might it cost to set up with an amateur radio with an
>antenna suitable for vehicle use?

I have a Yaesu FT857D which is currently available for $1000, the Icom 706 is $1200, both are excellent radios.

Andrews Communications

As for antennas; anything from a piece of wire (cost = about $0) to a $2000 autotune. Famparc do an excellent series of whip antennas Famparc I think their VKS737 one is about $160? I also hear good things about Terlin antennas but I think they are more expensive.

The Yaesu 857D certainly has a remote head and I'm pretty sure the Icom 706 does too - you can buy a remote mounting kit or it's pretty easy to make your own.

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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Oct 12, 2008 at 18:31

Sunday, Oct 12, 2008 at 18:31
Errr... PeterD... any response?
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