Landcruiser 100 series conversion to 5.7 litre

Submitted: Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 14:09
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I am thinking about converting a 100 series landcruiser from 4.5 petrol to 5.7 litre (LS1) and then adding the gas option. I am aware that it can be done however would like to speak to or oftain information from someone who has undertaken this task.

What was the pitfalls, costs and what was the benefits. Overall was it worth the effort.

I am towing a van which is about 2 tons when loaded, plus I also like to do some 4 wheel driving.

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Reply By: Dennis Ellery - Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 14:48

Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 14:48
If your budget can stand it why not go for a modern diesel.

I have just done a comparison on the petrol versus diesel running costs as follows.

Fuel costs. 17/9/2008

Toyota 200 Series - available in the following motor options.
Diesel 4.5Litre V8 – 195kw – 650Nm Torque at 1600 rpm - 10.3 litres / 100ks
Petrol 4.7Litre V8 - 202kw – 410Nm Torque at 3400rpm - 14.5 litres / 100ks

Toyota 200 series - cost per 100km (average fuel prices Perth 17/9/2008)
Petrol 14.5 x $1.43 = $20.74
Diesel 10.3 x $1.65 = $17.00

NOTE; THIS IS NOT A PLUG FOR TOYOTA – it just that their website made it convenient for the comparison of the 2 technologies on similar size motors of the same vintage.

These figures relate to no-load highway driving, the difference in fuel consumption increases even more when under heavy load – such as towing or off road work.

Last year whilst I was researching the performance of a vehicle I was buying - I read a prominent 4WD Magazine’s test on 3 different makes of 4WD,s – 1 had a diesel and the other 2 had petrol motors, the 3 were all of similar max power output.

Over the same off road course the diesel used approx 50% more fuel than its highway consumption whilst the 2 petrol motors were up approx 100%. One of the key factors being that the petrol motors had to drop down through their gears more often to maintain their torque
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Follow Up By: chisel - Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 16:12

Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 16:12
Of course the total cost for a vehicle does not just include fuel costs. The extra outlay up front for the diesel ($15k+ for a 200 series) negates most of the savings. Having said that, I went for a 100 series TD over the petrol - just a better vehicle in my opinion.
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 20:53

Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 20:53
Chisel what I can say? - obviously you’re an educated gentleman.
There’s not many of us around anymore
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Follow Up By: Briar Tuck - Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 21:50

Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 21:50
In our household we have both a petrol 100 series petrol and a 79 series Diesel and only just finished working out the comparison. At present, when you take in the servicing as well as fuel they are running pretty same cost as ech other. Give me the petrol 100 series any day. A far superior engine.
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Saturday, Sep 20, 2008 at 10:07

Saturday, Sep 20, 2008 at 10:07
Briar - every one to their own - In two equal size motors the diesel runs rings around a petrol motor for longevity or grunt (torque) see typical figures above, at start of thread. Pretty handy in sand, towing up hills etc as they don’t die as quickly as a petrol. Not just my opinion - all pretty well documented stuff. Why do you think people pay extra and have them fitted rather than petrol motors, or use them in commercial and transport vehicles, tractors etc?
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Reply By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 16:18

Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 16:18
My van weighs in at 2.5 tonne tandem axle Jayco Heritage.

I tow it with a 4.2 TD and use about 3-5 k's per litre and I only tow in 4th gear as my first gearbox died and I have a new one now ( don't tow in 5th with an R151F g/box).

While up near 80 mile beach was talking to a few travellers who were also towing and they were all roughly the same....two I will mention were 1x4.2D electronic injection with auto gearbox and 1x new V8 DID and both towing similar size vans both said 3-5 kpl like me...I did not feel so bad.

Towing these big vans against the wind does take it's toll.
The V8 did have the grunt to pass but in saying that I did not consider that was a issue as I travel at 80 to 95 KPH only anyway everything passes me!!!

Plus I am out to enjoy the trip with all the experiences that go with it and not bust my gut trying to break the land speed record.
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 18:03

Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 18:03
I have a 2008 V8 diesel 4.5litre Troopy towing a 24ft van – nearly three tonne.
I get 5.5 to 5.25 ks to the litre towing 80ks/hr.
This drops to 4 ks per litre when travelling over 100ks/hr into a stiff wind.

I travel with another guy who has a 2006 Toyota 4.2 – 6 cylinder Turbo Diesel who says he gets about the same or better.

It’s difficult to know where the truth lies – everyone has a different story
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 18:08

Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 18:08
I forgot to mention that both these vehicles have manual gear boxes
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 20:09

Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 20:09
Dennis.....no regrets with her...happy with your choice so far?
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 20:32

Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 20:32
Just what I want, it’s a Troopy – you know what you’re getting.
They’ve been around for 20 or 30 years.
Just a bigger motor on this model.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Saturday, Sep 27, 2008 at 20:36

Saturday, Sep 27, 2008 at 20:36
Dennis, I was talking to a guy in Birdsville with a 200 towing a big van. He was keeping company with his mate with a 100 Series with a nearly identical van. He told me that fill to fill each time the two were comparable and sometimes the V8 was better, sometimes the 4.2 diesel 100 series was better.
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Reply By: Gazal Champion - Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 18:34

Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 18:34
Hi Silv,

Why not go the Toyota 100 ser. petrol V8 and convert it to gas.

Would have to be cheaper and more convenient in the long run.

And overall, diesel can't compete with gas as it is not the kilometres per litre that counts but kilometres per dollar.

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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 20:44

Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 20:44
Hey Gaza – you need to do a little research.
Then possibly post the results for all to see.
It would be a refreshing to see a few facts for a change.
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Follow Up By: Gazal Champion - Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 03:49

Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 03:49
Hi Dennis,

I/ve posted some facts on these pages before an this very subject.

Last November, before the big jump in diesel prices I did a 6000 K holiday from Mid North Coast NSW to SA.

On comparing fuel consumption figures with other travellers towing similar sized and weight vans I found they were getting 5.5 K per litre or there abouts from their diesels. support for these figures listed abouve in other posts on this page.

I was getting 3.3K per litre on gas. Gas then was about half the price of diesel, has since jumped well above that in some places.

My calcs showed that had I been running diesel I would have consumed an extra $250 in fuel for that trip. Purchase price for a diesel vehicle, new or second hand can be as much as $10,000 more than for a similar petrol. The figures speak for themselves.

Yep, it's definitely not rocket science.

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Follow Up By: Gazal Champion - Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 03:56

Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 03:56
Dennis,
Should have added that diesel has jumped well above that in some places.

In my home town gas is .4 the cost of a litre of diesel.

On current figures the difference on that trip would be creeping up to more like $579 according to my calcs.

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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 20:58

Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 20:58
Thanks for the info Gazal – by those figures you are way in front with mileage.
Diesel is the only way I will go though; as I have other considerations which won’t accommodate a petrol or LPG fuelled motor
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Reply By: Louie the fly (SA) - Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 21:01

Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 21:01
One thing to remember with the Gen 3 LS1 engine is that they have a poxy plastic intake manifold that is not suitable for gas, according to Holden and the gas installers I have talked to. But there are a few options such as 1. fitting an aftermarket alloy manifold, like the one Weiand make, or 2. using Direct Injection gas. Option 1 is about $800 + your gas installation. Option 2 is about $4500. Apparently the plastic intakes can blow apart if you get a backfire.

I was thinking about getting my Adventra done but I can buy a lot of petrol for $4500.
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Follow Up By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:33

Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:33
I fitted Sequential Injection gas on the Paj for around $4500. After the gummint's $2000 contribution I calculate a 16 month payback, based on my K's/yr.

I put the older vapour style on my Statesman 5Lm (95 model) and the sequential system on the Paj is WAY better.

Get the Adventra done. You won't regret it.
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Reply By: autosparky - Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 22:59

Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 22:59
i went thru the process of fitting v8 2008 toyo diesel to my 80 series . bering in mind i deal with toyota fitting out their emergancy vehicles . the total cost would be just for motor , gearbox, wiring harness , computors ,without my labour! 28000
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Reply By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Saturday, Sep 20, 2008 at 08:54

Saturday, Sep 20, 2008 at 08:54
Silv, I have a mate with a 4500 80 series, and his son has a V8 100 series, and i have spent much time in and driving both, and even though the 100 is nicer on the road and smooth and quiet, give us the 80 anyday for towing.
The 4500 would pull it backwards, and fuel consumption is better in the 80, both on gas and petrol.
If you must change, it will be a lot cheaper and a lot less headaches to strip the 100 of all your gear if it has any, sell it and go buy a 100 V8 and refit the gear. Convertions have so many pitfalls on modern vehicles, and never work out as cheap as you budget.

Cheers pesty
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Reply By: vuduguru - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 14:32

Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 14:32
Shame there's so much waffle about diesels, its all been done.
I was interested in some on topic conversation, and Pesty's friend / brother/ mate of a mate must have the only 4.5 that beats a 4.7 for fuel economy. Spare me!
Let us know how you go Silv I for one am interested in a LS1/2/3 conversion.
Regards
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Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Saturday, Sep 27, 2008 at 17:24

Saturday, Sep 27, 2008 at 17:24
Where are you Silv, if in Brissy I can give you a few contacts that have done the 100 series to 6lt donks. On Trak 4wd is one, Bullet Cars is another. I have not had work done by either these places but both have a fair following from customers I have talked with.
There is another mob, I spoke with up at Brendale but cannot remember the name at the moment. If you are in this region, let me know and I will do some more "rememberring".

Hope it helps a bit.
Regards, Trevor.

PS for towing a 6.6 duramax should fit if that is any interest, for probably similar money to the 6lt LS3 or 4 conversion, no match price wise for the earlier LS1 though. Ask heaps about the 5.7 piston slap if you haven't heard about it.
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