bullbars and suspension lifts
Submitted: Monday, Sep 22, 2008 at 18:25
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MAVERICK(WA)
just in case you don't know there are to be a number of committees set up by the Federal Govt looking into various ADRs. Amongst them will be Frontal Protection Bars and also
Suspension lifting and lowering. The following is a copy of info recv'd from NSW - i guess the other states will follow suit.
"The RTA will soon publish guidelines on raising and lowering vehicles.
In response to community concerns, this will modify the specifications in the NSW Code of Practice for Light Vehicle Modifications, and will require all raised vehicles to be certified either by the manufacturer or an engineering signatory to the effect that the modification has maintained the level of safety of the vehicle and has not resulted in an increased risk to any road user, which includes both the occupants and other road users - occupants of other vehicles, cyclists and pedestrians. Any increase in ride height greater than 50mm will render the vehicle unsuitable for general registration and will only be granted conditional registration.
The Australian Standard AS 4876, which covers bull bars, will shortly be reviewed and the RTA intends being involved in the review committee. In the meantime, an amendment to the National Vehicle Safety Rules has been sent for public comment. This will bring the national rules, and therefore ultimately the legislation in the other jurisdictions, in line with the current requirements in NSW."
I am aware that ARB is involved and that the Aust National 4WD Council is also getting involved. The Pedestrain Council is also on the AS4876 review. It may be time to make sure any afiliated 4WD clubs are aware of what is happening and also those people not in a club may wish to keep an eye on what is happening. rgds
Reply By: Member - Tony B (QLD) - Monday, Sep 22, 2008 at 18:33
Monday, Sep 22, 2008 at 18:33
Ta! Sounds a bit cruel. Maybee manufactures will have to bring the vehicle out with option to raise it to a reasonable 4x4 height! My 3" lift on the Rodeo is the bees knees, gets me anywhere I like to go, lower we had a lot of problems. Will keep an eye on this. Cheers Tony.
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Monday, Sep 22, 2008 at 19:01
Monday, Sep 22, 2008 at 19:01
I think this line in your post says it all ->
"Any increase in ride height greater than 50mm will render the vehicle unsuitable for general registration"
I.E. It isn't enough that the lift passes the saftey standards, they still will knock it out
automatically.
While the actions of 4wd clbs is commendable its no Wonder their is an increasing tendency for people to opt out of the social system and simply ignore so many of our un-enforceable nanny state rules and regs.
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Follow Up By: Lex M - Monday, Sep 22, 2008 at 20:40
Monday, Sep 22, 2008 at 20:40
Currently in Qld 50 mm is the maximum legal lift. No exceptions
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Follow Up By: Tippa - Monday, Sep 22, 2008 at 21:36
Monday, Sep 22, 2008 at 21:36
No worries, just keep your tanks full, carry a few jerry cans and eat big mac meal a day.
This whole "lift" thing is so inaccurate anyway.... I bought OME 50mm lifted front springs and the same but 200kg constant weight for the rear... 50mm raised aswell. Turns out it raised the car 90mm at the back... even with 200kg extra load.
But that was compared to the old
suspension, so who has factory heights of each 4WD to compare to? ARB doesnt.... do the police or RTA? Is it measured with empty tanks or full? With no passengers or 5? With a spare wheel carrier and gas
tank out back or do they unbolt them?
I think its rediculous. They may measure your car on
the spot, but 5mins later it could be sitting 50mm lower with a typical load and fuel....
Once again, i'll worry about it when it comes in and they actually start defecting cars, which on a 2" lift which turned out to be a 3" lift done professionally i doubt will ever happen.
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Reply By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Monday, Sep 22, 2008 at 19:51
Monday, Sep 22, 2008 at 19:51
This wouldn't be one of the 'great ideas' that came out of Rudd's 20/20 summit by any chance?
People justifying their own existence. Got nothing else better to do.
This sort of thing S@#$@ me.
There are a million other things wrong with our road users, peoples driving behavior and attitudes, obscene traffic laws.
This is crap.
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Reply By: OzTroopy - Monday, Sep 22, 2008 at 20:14
Monday, Sep 22, 2008 at 20:14
Its the gun laws all over again......
People who have a genuine need for specialised equipment mods will suffer because of the generals populations right of access and missuse of the same things.
Take a shorty nissan or Jeep TJ owner ... serious about their hobby with 4" lifts / 33"+ tyres etc. They know their safe travelling speeds are reduced on main roads .... Not so, those who have modified to the same stds for a bling effect and cruise the streets.
Effective bullbars are another ... if it doesnt hold a roo off and away from the vehicle, its not worth worth having the thing. A Harold Scruby pedestrian bar ... designed to throw a person onto the bonnet will also throw a roo there. As a roo is much more solid than a fragile human ... the windscreen wont always stop it ... I am sure there are plenty on this
forum besides me who have seen that situation.
One more generation and commonsense should be totally removed from society. Just imagine the rules then ......
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Follow Up By: Lex M - Monday, Sep 22, 2008 at 20:45
Monday, Sep 22, 2008 at 20:45
Maximum legal tyre size increase in Qld is 15mm diameter more than standard. No exceptions.
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Reply By: Tippa - Monday, Sep 22, 2008 at 20:20
Monday, Sep 22, 2008 at 20:20
I's no surprise really. Until we are all driving white toyota prius cars, the authorities will keep on tightening the regs.
But i'm not going to lose any sleep until it happens, if at all. And then ARB will engineer my full OME 3" lifted cruiser and it will be business as usual.
There are still people engineering and driving LJ Toranas with twin turbo'd 6L V8s in them with full chassis and tubs, so i'm sure a professionally mildly lifted 4WD will be no dramas.
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Follow Up By: patrolmann - Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 12:30
Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 12:30
Hi S.A is max 50ml lift as
well. Thats standard australia wide from what the traffic policeman told us at our 4x4 club. Insurance Co. can and are voiding contracts if investigators find illegal mods. I have just booked my patrol in for a 50 ml lift. I know the old girl has sagged over the years so im hoping it will get her up around 75ml
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Follow Up By: Lex M - Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 21:05
Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 21:05
Yep. In Qld you can get engine changes like that engineered but you can't get more than 50mm lift engineered cause that's the rules.
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:40
Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:42
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:42
Sorry, This bit is interesting
See NCOP11. It seemed to allow a certain amount of flexiblity.
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Follow Up By: Lex M - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:54
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:54
I don't know about the other states but I believe the NCOP hasn't been adopted in QLD yet. They've been talking about it since forever.
Lex
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