Dog menace in free camp.
Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:11
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Mikee5 (Logan QLD)
On our recent travels we stayed where we can in free camps. On one particular occasion we parked
well away from other campers. To get to the
toilet and shower we had to walk along the access track. When we went past another
camp, which was about 50 metres off the track a snarling angry blue heeler with hackles raised charged out to us, barking and jumping. My wife has a fear of dogs so I said just keep walking and ignore the dog. The owner yelled at the dog to come back which it eventually did.
We had to return the same way and no, the owner had not restrained his dog, so the process was repeated. The owner yelled to us that all we had to do was say hello to the rabid beast and all would be
well. We ignored the dog and kept walking fearing an attack. The owner then yelled as us calling us f***ing ignorant and stupid c***s.
I don’t mind dogs but when one is unrestrained and has hackles raised and snarling I don’t feel like saying hello and felt that the safest thing to do was ignore it. My wife was terrified and wanted to run.
So what should we have done?
Reply By: Squizzy - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:37
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:37
The best thing you did was to refrain from confronting the owner, as I would imagine him to be worse than the dog by your post.
Geoff.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony B (QLD) - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 18:25
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 18:25
Actually cage the owner, he should not have a dog. I did animal control for 4 years and the owner is nearly always the problem. You did the right thing to ignore. But I would have been carrying a 2x4 on the return trip as it is against the law for a dog to put fright into someone. He should have been apologising and restraining the dog. He broke the law. Cheers Tony.
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Follow Up By: Member - Warfer (VIC) - Wednesday, Oct 01, 2008 at 19:43
Wednesday, Oct 01, 2008 at 19:43
*Actually cage the owner, he should not have a dog. I did animal control for 4 years and the owner is nearly always the problem. You did the right thing to ignore. But I would have been carrying a 2x4 on the return trip as it is against the law for a dog to put fright into someone.*
Well it wouldn't matter,2x4 for the feral owner and the dog,I would guarantee that if you hit his beloved feral dog its the same as hitting the feral himself in his brain dead opinion...
Don't believe its just males too for one minute,I still hav puncture mark's in my leg from 4 years ago (Female Owner) !
Cheers
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Reply By: PradoTrev - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:38
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:38
I agree the dog should have been restrained and if you had spoken to the owner and informed him of you fear of dogs i would like to think he may have taken a stronger hand.
He obviously took your ignoring him and the dog as a personal insult and did not have the ability to consider that your response was out of fear. Hence my suggestion of speak to the guy and give him a chance to either prove he is an a hole or that you have also miss understood him.
Comunication is the key and most bullys when met head on back down when approched in a confindt non threating maner.
tm2cw
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Follow Up By: Mikee5 (Logan QLD) - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:44
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:44
How do you walk up to someone when their dog thinks it owns a 50 metre perimeter around him?
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:56
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:56
It was fairly obviousl who was the ignorant yob! How could you possibly reason with a fool like that with absolutely no social skills.. Not much you can do but hope you dont meet up again at the next
camp!! Michael
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Reply By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 14:07
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 14:07
shot it!
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 15:02
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 15:02
Fine, but then you've still got the problem of the dog :)))
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 15:28
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 15:28
hahaha
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Follow Up By: Red Frog - Vic - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 18:05
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 18:05
Shoot the dog also, good bush tucker
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 19:01
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 19:01
LOL cats are tastier. You know that little frog.
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Reply By: Member - DickyBeach - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 14:33
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 14:33
... and certainly do NOT run.
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 15:32
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 15:32
>So what should we have done?
What you did - you can't deal with people like that.
It' because of w@nkers like that I never
camp in the sort of site you describe, only deep bush ones where I rarely see other people. Trying to deal with people such as he will, mostly, end up in conflict from which there will be no winners. Just move on and by the next day he and his dog are no more than a bad memory.
Mike Harding
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 19:50
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 19:50
A really effective solution to this problem is to carry a can of good fly spray.
It really turns the dogs off , has a range of a couple of meters and doesn't disturb others , and after even one or two goes the dog will recognize that you are carrying it and you don't even have to spray it.
It will give you wife confidence also Mike.
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Reply By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:20
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:20
Im terrified of snarling darlings too. have been attacked twice and would have done the same kept on walking. When we travel with our barking croc he stays on a chain or lead when others are around . Those nasty people make the rest of us dog owners look bad.
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Reply By: fozzy - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:29
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:29
mikee
simple solution-say hello to the dog=all problems solved
what is your problem?
if you have lived at all you know that life is about respecting others and is all about comprimise-sure in the middle of the bush you shouldnt have to put up with a dog running at you and barking etc-all the dog is doing is alerting the owner that someone is going past.why not try what the dogs owners suggested-problem we all have to deal with is that there are so many people who have no idea what dogs are about and fear them and they teach thier family's to fear them which is totally wrong.
you could have simply said hello to the dog and would ahve had a great weekend.
cheers
fozzy
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Follow Up By: ajd - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:43
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:43
I also am not fond of dogs, having been a paper boy as a
young feller I was bitten quite often.
When approached by a barking dog I too feel threatened and feel this is unacceptable and will protect myself with whatever I can.
Not everyone is a dog person.
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ (wa) - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:46
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:46
Fozzy,
I fully agree with your thoughts, after all mikee has said "The owner yelled to us that all we had to do was say hello to the rabid beast and all would be well"
yes, the owner has given him direct instructions to say 'hello to the dog' and all would be
well !!
He made the decision not to do as specifically requested by the dogs owner, and I'm sure the owner would know how to control his own dog.
Yes, I've had dogs, Rottweilers.
Mainey . . .
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Follow Up By: fozzy - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:47
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:47
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sure you feel threatened back in your younger years however this is a different situation in that the dog didnt attack-it simply barked-why not follow what the owner said-smply say hello and see what transpires-if that is not the solution then bring out all guns blazing
cheers
fozzy
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Follow Up By: ajd - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:56
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:56
fozzy, how can you go into bat for a dog you have never met and ensure me it would not bite, dogs can sense fear in a person and a person cannot control fear.
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ (wa) - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 21:04
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 21:04
ajd,
can I suggest fozzy probably did the same as myself and read the original post, it stated very clearly:
""The owner yelled to us that all we had to do was say hello to the rabid beast and all would be well"" and as I have posted, the dogs 'owner' has recommended the best way to stop the dog from barking, (the dog was not biting anyone) was to simply say "hello" to the dog.
I know it works, the owner has said to say 'hello' and I bet the dog would then be friendly again, just as the dogs owner has instructed.
Mainey . . .
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Follow Up By: fozzy - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 21:06
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 21:06
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i am not going in to bat at all
sure any dog can bite at any time in any given different situation.
all i am basically saying is that if a dog starts barking or moving forward and the owner simply says to say hello and the receiving person cant be bothered to say hello to a dog then reallistically who has the problem-in my eyes saying hello to a dog is pretty simple.
if that basic simplistic hello doesnt calm the dog then sure get on this
forum and evey other one and have a whinge but until you have socialized with others in the bush and tried a simple solution to the problem facing you what the hell are we all wasting our time talking about. the bush(
free camping spots) are to be enjoyed by all-there are far worse situations to deal with in llife-again i dont agree with the situation but surely follow the owners basic simple instructions-in reality dont crucify the dog or owner for something that neve happened.
cheers
fozzy
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Follow Up By: ajd - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 21:17
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 21:17
I think that's a very naive view!!
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Reply By: Member - Mal B - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 21:30
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 21:30
might be a
free camp but somebody must be responsible for the site ring them what if had been a child mal b
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 23:16
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 23:16
Dont just ignore it and keep walking you MUST always face the dog, the second you turn away they will charge up at you. My favourite way of dealing with them (and i had to often in kalgoorlie) was to kick rocks at them. I actually kicked rocks into 1 dXckheads new cruiser when his dog went me as he opened the door to open his
gate-- he copped a good mouthfull as
well as stones at his cruiser. no time for wankers with unsociable dogs
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 23:34
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 23:34
Gday,
Been in a simillar circumstance years ago with a big banana nose bully thing. I just stood still and told the owner if it grabs hold of me Ill cut its throat!
I always say...stand still!
Face the dog. Quite often they havent quite got the balls to take you on head on. You can also see them coming, but dont run! They will take it as a
sign of fear and have a go!
Usually the dogs that are going to bite dont give you a warning.
Cheers
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Reply By: TentEnKaMan - Thursday, Oct 02, 2008 at 23:15
Thursday, Oct 02, 2008 at 23:15
I would suggest that you stick to campsites which require that people keep their dogs restrained, or that doesnt allow dogs. If this was the case where you stayed and you felt that the dog was a danger to other people, you should have reported it to the council/ regulatory authourity.
I own a small dog that is no danger to anything but small wildlife but it is always restrained in any
campsite, I will walk the dog elsewhere then let it off a leash if I feel its necessary to let it roam free. A chain and Sturdy tent peg are very affordable accessories to buy.... Also I think anyone whose had a dog at a
campsite has had it escape from them at some point, so was glad to see you had the tolerance to see if theyd rectified the situation, accidents do happen.
Your wife must be made aware that anything that a dog senses fear from is potential quary so it is vital that she learn to steel herself in these situations even if thats thru carrying mace or something to hit the dog if it comes at her...... Dunno about the flyspray though who is liable for the vet bills? lol
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