tyre size in QLD

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i was told from a tyre shop that the tyres i wanted were illegal on my car, i have a 99 turbo diesel patrol wagon. so i went to another shop and they fitted my tyres with no hassle's. i did here somewhere that if you have a 2" lift you can put 31" tyres on. or is that false. the bloke at the tyre shop said it had to do with my brakes. im not to sure what the standard is, or how to find out some information. and in the future i want to lift higher and put 33" on, also wondering if i need to get it engineered to make it road worthy. any info would be great.
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Reply By: Notso - Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 13:41

Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 13:41
As I understand it, QLD currently has a limit of 15mm Diameter increase. I also hear that in the new year they are going to adopt the National Code of practice which will allow up to 50mm increase on 4WDs.

Some dealers don't care about the regulations etc and will fit whatever you want, others try to follow the local requirements. There are a number of differing regulations around Aus but hopefully all the states will adopt the new code at some stage.
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Reply By: Voxson - Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 13:41

Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 13:41
31 inch tyres are standard arnt they?...
I dont understand...
31's are small..
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Follow Up By: Member - Bevan (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 14:35

Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 14:35
i thnk 30" are standard, he said that they were 5mm over size
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Reply By: Lex M - Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 13:52

Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 13:52
Under current Qld regs the maximum lift is 50mm and the max tyre increase is 15mm. Any more than that is unroadworthy (illegal) and cannot be engineered to make it so.
Don't hold your breath waiting for the adoption of the National Code of Practice. They've been talking about it for forever.

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Follow Up By: Lex M - Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 13:56

Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 13:56
wheel/tyre size Page 18 of this doc.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony B (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 16:39

Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 16:39
I agree with this statement. 50 Raise and 15mm increase is what you can do in Queensland. I got a slightly larger tyre fitted no questions asked because they did not make the size I was after in the tyre I wanted. Most tyre dealers will give you what you ask for. Its like overloading, there are many out there doing it and until its policed or you make a insurance claim many still will. Also There are many calculators out there to help you choose a tyre size. One is this link
http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCalculator.asp?action=submit

Cheers Tony.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony B (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 16:42

Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 16:42
Whoops not quite right. 50mm is the maxium body lift. Suspension is worked out on another formular and some makes can be raised leagally a lot higher. A 3'' Lift kit on my Rodeo fell within specs. There are many threads that cover that subject. Cheers Tony
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Reply By: Miss(an)Jo - Toad Keeper (Bris - Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 14:00

Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 14:00
when I wanted to put 33 muds on the pajero I had one tyre shop tell me it was illegal and they wouldn't do it.
I then went to Bob Janes and said I want to put 33 muds on my pajero and they said no worries, did it straight away and did not tell me it was illegal...
Who are you suppose to believe???
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Follow Up By: troopyman - Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 15:21

Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 15:21
Its a real PITA . Do i fit larger tyres? What if i have an accident? Am i covered? I am sure most 4x4s would have some "illegal" thing on them at some point weather its a fishing rod holder or whatever . I hate insurance companies and the laws are an ass . You should be able to put 35s on a large 4by at least .
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Follow Up By: Splits - Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 18:17

Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 18:17
The post from Peter 2 below on the affect on brakes is the major issue with increases in tyre size. I spoke to my insurance company (NRMA) earlier this year and they said anything that the RTA says is legal is fine by them. If I go outside the RTA limit then they have the right to cancel the policy.

All I wanted to do was fit a 7.00 x 16 to a IFS Hilux. It was 46 mm larger than the maximum size listed on the tyre placard on the car. The RTA limit is 15 mm oversize.

The NRMA said they could not legally agree to fitting the 7.00s but added it was rare for them to cancel a policy because of tyres. Where you could come unstuck in a big way though would be if you ran into the back of another car, or hit a pedestrian, and the police report said you would have stopped a few meters further back had your tyres been within the 15 mm limit.

Brian
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Follow Up By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 08, 2008 at 00:00

Wednesday, Oct 08, 2008 at 00:00
Jo
I love the dump truck
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Follow Up By: Miss(an)Jo - Toad Keeper (Bris - Wednesday, Oct 08, 2008 at 18:52

Wednesday, Oct 08, 2008 at 18:52
I'd love to take the credit for it but alas I cannot.. It was emailed to me. By a fellow EO forumite I am pretty sure. But if I drove trucks.. that is something I would do!
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Follow Up By: Member - Bevan (QLD) - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 15:34

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 15:34
that is a great photo
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Follow Up By: Miss(an)Jo - Toad Keeper (Bris - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 21:02

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 21:02
Yeh it is hey! A more appropriate photo would be of Kev's 4by on the tray getting towed!!!!
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 16:18

Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 16:18
The reason there limits for tyre size increases is for the effect that larger tyres have on the brakes.
It has nothing to do with gearing or speedo errors, that is for the driver to worry about.
Any increase in tyre size has a detrimental effect on the brakes as well as possibly increasing the load on suspension and drivetrain components.
Taller tyres affect the brakes more than you realise especially when fully loaded and towing as the taller tyre has more "leverage" or mechanical advantage on the brakes than the standard size tyre.
A tyre with an aggressive tread pattern can also increase stopping distances compared to a similar size tyre with a road orientated tread pattern.
If like me you are sceptical do what I did with my old troopy. I borrowed a set of 33" muddies on the same rim and compared stopping distances with set of road tyres in the standard size, made quite a difference not only to the stopping distances but changed the handling and feel of the vehicle as well.
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Follow Up By: Rock Ape - Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 21:09

Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 21:09
You are spot on, the distances increase quite substantially with larger tyres.
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Reply By: Member - Alan H (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 17:35

Tuesday, Oct 07, 2008 at 17:35
Lex M posted above the QLD modification document so compliance or non-compliance is laid out in the document for all to read. There is no guess work.

Wheel diameter can be changed but tyre diameter cannot be increased by more than 15mm or decreased by more than 26mm.

Have to watch if tyres and wheels alter track!!

Alan
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Reply By: Member - Bevan (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 08, 2008 at 13:41

Wednesday, Oct 08, 2008 at 13:41
dose any one know if there is an insurance company that specialises in 4wd, i was reading a 4x4 action mag and they had a thing on insurance in it. saying most insurance company's will not cover you if you are not on a gazetted road. most of as would be touring at some stage off the beaten track. was wondering if anyone knows a company that will insure you no matter where you have an accident.
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