winching camper trailer into storage

Submitted: Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 09:34
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Hi al,
We have just taken delivery of our Wing 1 Goldstream camper trailer. When not on the road it will be stored in the carport.
Small hitch however-getting the 1000plus Kilos up the small incline into the carport when it can't be reversed into position due to narrow entrance to carport and small turning potential from the narrow inner suburb street!
Thought a winch might be the solution( in addition to the jockey wheel). Any ideas or experience out there of a compact preferably removable winch which could be used to pull the camper trailer into position? Can't believe we are the only ones who have had this problem!
Thanks in advance. Can't wailt to get ourselves on the road for a few short trips before the big trip.
Nicki
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 09:46

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 09:46
Small boat winch works well.
Can pick them up at a number of places.

You can get them with a hole an slot type mounting that allows you remove them off a mounting plate.
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Follow Up By: nicki- Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:30

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:30
Thanks for advise. Where would the mounting plate be mounted on the camper?
nicki
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:00

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:00
Wouldn't you mount it to the rear wall of the carport ?
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Reply By: Rosco - Qld - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 09:50

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 09:50
Nicki

Depending on your vehicle, is there any chance of fitting a tow point to the front, slightly off centre towards the pass side. We have the same situation with our storage spot and it works a treat.

This may solve your problem and they come in handy in lots of situations anyway.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: nicki- Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:29

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:29
Thanks-but can't quite visualise how a tow point to the front of the side would work. I had imagined the connection point would be at the rear to winch into position. Can you explain more please? We are both on a steep learning curve as newbies with all this!
cheers
nicki
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:15

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:15
I also agree that a front hitch point is the way to go. You then push the camper rather then tow it into position when parking. Turn vehicle around and attach van at the rear as normal when you want to take it out again.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:05

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:05
Nicki ,

I think he means a towball on the front , but not absolutely sure .

We used to winch our camper up our drive . One day my wife did not set the handbrake properly and it sailed off down the drive and slid all the way along the side of her car . OOPS .

Willie .
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Qld - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:15

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:15
Yep

Mount a toe ball (hitch) to the front of your car.
Easy if you have a bullbar.

Cheers
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Reply By: Notso - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:03

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:03
Depending on how flush you are with money, you could get one of these.

Van Mover
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Follow Up By: nicki- Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 15:57

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 15:57
yeah-for $1800 plus it's not really a go-er. But thanks anyway.
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Reply By: Member - Jaap C (QLD) - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:16

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:16
Nicki

Be careful if you have to winch into position how will you get it out?
May need a winch which will allow you to "lower' it as well ie: an electric for example which will allow power out the cable but has a inbuilt safety brake etc

Regards

Jaap
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Follow Up By: nicki- Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:26

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:26
Thanks for replies so far. I think we would need one with an inbuilt safety brake to lower it-even though only a small incline, the momentum on a 1000k camper would not be funny for the two of us to handle!
What ratio and cable size, would be best?
Nicki
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Reply By: HGMonaro - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:24

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:24
Saw an advert for a portable winch in a 'tools' catalogue just recently. They had one that ran off a battery and a self contained rechargable one. Can't remember brand, shop or price... but they are out there!
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Reply By: aussiedingo - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:07

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:07
G'day all, with mine I drilled a 1/2 inch hole in the concrete floor of my garage in line with the direction of pull required to get mine in, I then put my 12v boat winch on the floor through the centre slot & bingo! it works well every time, to let it out I put a rope around a garage post a few times & let it out gently & easy to control speed & weight. The bolt needs to be at least 100mm long & if possible drill the hole on a slight angle away at the top, when not in use I leave a piece of wooden dowell in the hole, works well, seee ya, dingo
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Follow Up By: nicki- Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 15:52

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 15:52
Thanks aussiedingo, sounds good.
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Reply By: Mikee5 (Logan QLD) - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:33

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:33
Hi Nicki,
What Rocso meant (Depending on your vehicle, is there any chance of fitting a tow point to the front, slightly off centre towards the pass side. We have the same situation with our storage spot and it works a treat.) was fitting a towball to the front of your towing vehicle to 'push' the camper into its home. That is a good way to manoevre it.
Boat trailer winches come in various load ratings and gear ratios eg 5:1 and 7:1, I would suggest you consider mounting the winch in the back of the carport possibly with a socket into the floor so that it is removable, attach the winch to the back of the camper, then one person winches and another steers from the front. I have heard of another caravan owner who had two sockets in the ground to get his van around a difficult corner into its park.
Beware of these boat winches when lowering, there is no brake except the handle, which may slip off the winch or slip out of your hand.
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Reply By: PradOz - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 13:17

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 13:17
Hi Nicki

welcome to vanning/camping. lots of great ideas here so far. i seen somewhere on a forum (maybe here??) where a guy not only fitted a towball to front of the car/4wd but also had a temporary A Frame that fitted to the rear of the van/camper that allowed him to push it into his storage so the front of the van went in first rather than rear first. added benefit of him seeing whats happening easily as he is driving in a forwards direction.

other than that you may have to inventive here and come up with a combination of ideas that suits your situation specificly. maybe a photo or two showing your access may help with further suggestions.

two very easy but are the most expensive ideas are:

1) the "motorised jockey wheels" and
2) stay away camping seeing this great country of ours - dont come back home, plus you will have more fun too - no problem with access then!!

good luck with it....
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Follow Up By: nicki- Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 15:50

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 15:50
Hey, now you're talking-stay away seeing Oz instead of suburban melbourne! I'll approach the boss with this idea! I love it.
(What is a motorised jockey wheel?and how expensive?)
Meanwhile still have to get the darn thing out without running us over in the effort or landing on a car opposite side of the road.
Nicki
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Follow Up By: nicki- Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 15:59

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 15:59
Since this post I followed up the motorised jockey wheel option and they're around the $1,800. So I don't think so!
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Reply By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 14:19

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 14:19
Hi Nicki,

I guess I'm presuming that it may be possible as opposed to totally impossible.

Faced the same question recently but I decided on refining my reversing technique instead. A little testing at first but really worthwhile in the end. I have a van in a narrow driveway and a narrow street. The whole exercise seemed impossible at first - hence the thought of alternatives. A sharp turn was required from the street with about six inched on either side meant a blind side was always going to be tight. Patience and understanding is the key (both of which are not in generous supply in my place). Give it a go!

Kind regards
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Reply By: Willem - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 16:58

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 16:58
nicki

I wrote a long reply and then lost it somehow. It took too long to load the photo...lol

This method of pushing a van into a tight spot is by far the safest. Don't even consider a winch up a slope. Too many things can go wrong

As mentioned above. Fit a towball/tow hitch to the front of your vehicle

Best photo I have is this one.

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Cheers
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Follow Up By: nicki- Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 22:43

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 22:43
Willem, thanks for your photo and suggestion. We are not planning off road-at this stage. (never say never)-and recently up graded from a camry wagon to a ford falcon to be able to tow the camper trailer, so your rig makes ours look wuzzy.....Do you think a ford falcon wagon, no bullbar- could have a towbar fitted at the front?
Or problem is a small incline, up over the gutter, sharp turn from a narrow road. About 6 inches one side and 18 the other side, (so I can get past to the back yard gate).
Impression I'm getting is that pushing is the way to go. The alternative appears a maco mule if this would have better leverage than the one we have, a racket single wheeled gadget fits on the left of the A frame.
Can't get over how exploreOz folk are so ready to help others with advice and suggestions.
(If anyone can tell me how to download a photo to insert to a post-that would be great.Picture being worth a thousand words and all)
Nicki
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Follow Up By: Willem - Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 08:34

Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 08:34
Ahhh...the plot thickens!!!


Cancel that idea as there isn't anywhere to fit such a device to a plastic bumper bar of the modern Falcons.

I now suggest you spend between $300 and $600 and buy yourself a Reversing Camera. I am sure you should be able to get a camera so that you may be able to see the narrow side of the driveway. That way you may look at the screen on the dashboard whilst reversing the CT in. If you do go thisd way I can put you in touch with someone on ExplorOz who is well versed in the subject.

To put a photo in a post please do the following

1. Take your photo in your computer and make a copy of it
2. Now resize that photo to under 800 pixels(I use Arcsoft Photostudio that comes with Windows XP). Once that is done..
3.Click on Insert Image below
4.Click on Browse and then take the photo from your computer
5. In description you can state what the photo is about
6. Click Load


Hpe this works for you

Yes ExplorOz Forum is a very friendly and helpful site where everyone is willing to share their experiences in a common interest.

Cheers
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 21:48

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 21:48
Nicki.

Another option to consider is a mechanical jockey wheel.

I use a dual wheel "Maco-Mule" to manouver my 1150kg camper trailer. It uses a ratchet based lever action.

The dual wheel Maco-Mule can be located on any side of the A-frame whereas the single wheel version needs to be on the left side.

Maco Mule

Bill.
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Reply By: PradOz - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 22:27

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 22:27
Hi Nicki

some info here showing lots of working options for you at this link

getaway jockey wheel ideas

hope its helpful, if so let us know what you do as i am sure it will assist many others here too

cheers mick
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Follow Up By: PradOz - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 22:34

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 22:34
this one says it can b used on small gradients so depends on yours

price around $600 and can be moved from van to van if/when u upgrade later:
hitchdrive

this one too but expensive $ouch
hitchdrive

cheers
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Reply By: Flywest - Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 02:03

Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 02:03
Why not use your wagon as the winch?

Just mount a sheave/turnbuckle/pulley call it what you will onto the rear wall of the shed.

back the trailer as far into the driveway rearward as possible and disconnect from the vehicle.

Run the cable from towbar on the veicle under the centre of trailer, right up into the shed and back to the rear of trailer.

Drive forward slowly - using the vehicle and cable to slowly wnch the trailer back into the shed - someone can steer it on it;'s jockey wheel from the front if required.

W@hen getting it back out - just reverse the proceedure - push the trailer to the gradient andlet the tension on cable and vehicle slowly roll the railer down tot he front as the vehicle reverses back in to the driveway - when close enough - drop the cable and couple up the trailer.

Zero winch cost - simple and effective!

If you don;t want to use a vehicle use an endless chain attached to the rear wall of the shed or trailer - whichever suits you.

Yes - I'm a tightwad, but in my defense - Ive winched a LOT of heavey things into some pretty remote and difficut locations! ;o)





















Theres always more than one way to skin a cat! ;o)

Cheers

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Follow Up By: nicki- Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 13:51

Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 13:51
Flywest-you have done some serious winching!
Thanks to all who have kindly given their time and advice. I'm off for a few days RnR to a with Tiger (my foster dog). On return the next project will be to consider all the suggestions (hopefully with someone with more expertise than my partner and I have-to install if that's the way we go). Will be posting to advise how we resolved this.
So thanks to all. Next time I'll post with a photo I hope.
Nicki
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Reply By: PradOz - Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 at 22:09

Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 at 22:09
Nicki - there is an "as new" power jockey wheel listed on ebay at the moment for $1250 which is a great saving off the new price if it interests you. certainly would work - cheers.....
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