Canning Stock Route question

I have noticed that you cannot take trailers between wells 1 - 5. What is the reason for this. I'm assuming this is an area where there are large dunes?

Anyway, if I did take a trailer (not camping trailer) to carry food, fuel etc (looking at a off road 5x4) what would I be missing out on by not doing the first 5 wells. Is there camping and driving spots which are a must see?

thanks,
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Reply By: Member - DickyBeach - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:58

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:58
I believe it has to do with the number of "creek" crossings with their steep entry/exits whereby trailers without Treg-type couplings often got stranded, and the nearby station got the tom-tits with frequent rescues.
This, at least, was the explanation given to me in 2003 when we did the CSR.
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Reply By: Gossy - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 13:12

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 13:12
makes sense. thanks,
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Reply By: Willem - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 14:55

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 14:55
There is nothing very exciting between Wells 1 and 5

I still can't understand how the station owners can ban trailers from that track as it is a Public Access Stockroute. Have never taken much notice of the no-trailer thing but since acquiring one it has come to the fore. Will be going that way next year along the CSR for a short distance but will be coming in at Well 5 from the west.

Maybe it has been a scare tactic which has stuck OR maybe someone will come up with a definitive answer in this thread.

Cheers
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 19:11

Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 19:11
Gossy,

The Canning Stock Route passes through a working cattle station on the lower section, between Wells 2 and 5. Granite Peak.
Access through Glenayre is also available but this will bring you out near Well 9

Well 1 is off to the west before you get to the CSR proper.

Granite Peak Station has an access track through their property for wide vehicles and vehicle wishing to tow trailers. A fee does apply to use this track.

As stated there are many dry creek crossing which can be steep to enter and exit. There are also some very tight turns in and out of the creek crossing.

Because you are on station tracks, the station owners maintain the tracks on the property and they feel that towing a trailer might do damage to their track. Right or wrong this is the way it is.

As for what to see on the first section
Well 3 fully restored
The Granites. A well dug out of solid rock
Kennedy Creek
The old sheep yards
Windich Springs
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and some Minni Ritchi Tree. They are found further north but there are some very good trees close to the track in this area.

Wayne
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Reply By: Gossy - Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 08:49

Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 08:49
thanks for the update. I was thinking about the trailer because we have only just started to talk about it and I am looking at my options in regard to food, water, spare parts etc because we could be supported a couple of motor bike riders as well.

My 2.8td GQ patrol used 13 litres / 100km across the Simpson so economy is fairly good (and good driving!). Maybe by carrying a small amount of fuel (3-5 jerry cans) I could be able to make it the whole way but havent really sat down to do the maths yet. Just looking at some options.
the trailer would make life a bit more confortable. I would just have to make sure I used the heavy stuff up out of the trailer first!

How does the sand dunes compare on the Canning to the simpson? From my readings the Canning is much more flat but I haven't been able to find any information to actually compare. Most of the talk is around the spots to visit and the wells but not really the terrain.

cheers,
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 17:18

Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 17:18
Gossy,

The sand dunes on the Canning are a lot different to the dunes on the Simpson. The dune tend to be smaller in height but longer to get over.

The dunes are lower but with a sharp turn at the base of the dune. The dunes have a bowl in the middle, something like Big Red.

As you approach the dune there is a sharp turn at the base, so a lot of momentum is lost. When you crest the dune there is a bowl that varies in length form a few metres to 60/70 meters in length. When you have negotiated the bowl a small climb and then a drop down the other side with another sharp turn.Image Could Not Be Found


This vehicle has been abandon in one of the dunes. As you can see the bowls can be very large.

Not all of the Canning is sand dune country. They start about Well 10 and just about finish at Well 49.
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This is a photo of the track, tall grass on the edges and grass in the middle of the track. Corrugations are also there in huge numbers.

As for fuel I used about 400lt from Wiluna to Billiluna. That included going to all the wells and Calvert Range.

Wayne
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Reply By: Gossy - Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 at 09:17

Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 at 09:17
thanks for the feedback. 400 litres on diesel or petrol (6cyl or 4cyl)?
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 at 16:14

Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 at 16:14
Gossy,

400lt For a 78 Series, factory turbo diesel, 6cyl.
About 3.5 t fully loaded.

Wayne
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Reply By: TrevorMR (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 at 23:51

Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 at 23:51
We used approx 340l in a Hilux 3ltr (non-turbo) diesel.

If you plan to take a trailer make sure it is built for the job. We came accross a new trailer abandoned beside the track when an axle broke. It was equiped with independent torsion bar type suspension. The trailer would have been worth $5000+ as it had a chequerplate aluminuim canopy and fitted out with steel water tanks, power etc.

One other thing to be aware of - unless you have a 6cyl turbo diesel auto, you will probably need to take multiple runs to get over some of the dunes. This could mean reversing 100 metres with a trailer behind you for a second or third run at the dune. If you get the reversing wrong, you are unlikely to get enough momentum to move forward up the dune a few metres to straighten out and have another try at reversing. This would put me off taking a trailer .
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Reply By: Gossy - Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 09:02

Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 09:02
great stuff. This is good to know. As I mentioned, it's impossible to actually find detailed information about the driving conditions; it's all about the wells and camping spots.

So, I am starting to get a good picuture of the conditions now. Bigger and longer sand dunes than the simpson, generally not as difficult as the Simpson dunes but some are and also areas of flat land but badly corrugated. Thats about right?

considering that I find it hard enough to walk backwards I am not to keen on reversing a trailer down a sand dune. To be quite honest it's a skill I haven't exactly nailed down!

this just means the wife will need to sit on top of the roof rack so the beer can sit inside the car now. Disapointing for her but it's important to be a team player!!
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Reply By: Gossy - Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 09:05

Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 09:05
Oh, one more thing.
If we find it difficult to find anyone to come along with us (we have friends with 4WD's but not kitted out for this trip) is it realistic to do the trip by ourselves?

Reason i ask is that I assume we wouldn't be out there for weeks without seeing another vehicle around June - July anyway for a worse case scenario.

We have an EIPIRB, comms etc.

Cheers,
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