use GU Patrol cigarette plug for fridge?

Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 17:19
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Hi guys, the bride and I are going to buy a Engle Eclipse fridge / freezer in the next couple of weeks for our 2 week Vic trip.
would the standard cigarette plug be alright to use?? or would I need to supply the fridge with a H/D plug.
the stats say the fridge uses a "Variable from 0.5 to 2.75 AMPS Maximum".
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Reply By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 17:26

Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 17:26
You will no doubt get very useful detailed info from the experts on this forum but in general the cig outlet does not provide a good connection for things like fridges. ok for phone chargers & the like But fridges will work much better off a dedicated connection of the correct wiring capacity. I leave the details to my learned fellow forumites.......oldbaz.
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Reply By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 17:35

Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 17:35
Hi,
The wire to the lighter socket on the Patrol is heavy enough, and you'd get away with it, but the inbuilt lighter sockets are usually a poor connection for this application (it's a shallow-depth socket).
Ok for the occasional trip, but the cable gets in the way, anyway.
I'd recommend that you run a decent heavy (6-8mm2) wire to the back and install a decent accessory socket (pref not a lighter socket) at the rear. Make sure you find a good clean section of body to fix the earth (-ve) to. Run the +ve wire directly to your battery via a 30A fuse (at the battery end) or better still, use a DC circuit breaker.
You'd need to unpop the rear inside panel to get the cable over the rear wheel arch if you're gonna do the job properly. It's also a good idea to slide some extra plastic sleeve over the wire to further protect it if it is going to cross over some sharp metal along the way.
Gerry
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 18:02

Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 18:02
I fully agree and you can buy a dedicated module that is made to go in the narrow slot in the back of the Pootrol from here
Its tha Alzone panel Not cheap but does the job neatly They will also sell you the correct wire for the job

http://www.springers.com.au/engine.asp?action=&CatID=38&SubCatID=0&KW=&ManufID=0&sortby=P.ProductName%20ASC&PN=2
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 17:59

Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 17:59
Can do 01xl7 , but get a lion brand plug from several supplies e.g. Anaconda , as it has 4 copper plated contact springs and holds better over rough roads.

When you get a chance though, put in a real socket thats not switched off when you remove the ignition key.
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Reply By: young_codger - Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 18:09

Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 18:09
That's what they're designed... Most cigarette outlets are rated at 10 amps or more, so drawing 2.75 won't be an issue. I think at startup they draw 2.75 amps, then go back to 0.5 during normal operation.

Also if you're just running it as a fridge (and in cool victoria), you'll find it will only be on a quarter of the time. Engel's are extremely efficient and probably be used all week in this manner before you'd need to charge your battery.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony B (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 18:41

Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 18:41
Cigarette outlets are no good for fridges. It helps to do a bit of research and you will see why. Wire it up to a HD Plug using the required wire size and you will let the fridge run to its capacity. Also you do not run the risk of overloading your cars wiring, Cheers Tony
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Follow Up By: young_codger - Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 19:30

Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 19:30
As I mentioned, most cigarette outlets are rated at more than 10 amps. So it's drawing a quarter of the capacity of the wiring.

Yes I agree that thicker wiring and a separate fuse would be the way to go (perhaps if a fridge is a fixture), but Engel and others specifically design the fridges to be used off the cigarette outlet - hence why a cigarette cable is supplied.

I think it's reasonable to assume that if fridges were having problems running from a cigarette outlets, then manufacturers such as Engel wouldn't supply cables designed for this purpose (as they'd be responsible for these problems).
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 19:32

Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 19:32
Cigarette Lighter sockets are designed to provide 10 amps - for FIVE SECONDS while it heats up.

They're not designed for continuous loading in an environment of very heavy vibration - and then people use plugs of the wrong type that don't have the collar that gets gripped by the springs in the socket.

Sure, it'll work fine at the start of your trip . . . .
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony B (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 20:52

Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 20:52
Yes lucky Englel know there is problems with lighter plug connections so they produce these - 'Posi-Fit' plug connection is a vibration proof fitting, used for those off road conditions or to connect your Engel to your 24 volt system. 4 Metre long cable no switch. Also Available in 30cm long cord (ASPAN) and with a switch and indicator light (BPAN)
Category: Fridge Accessories
Model No: APAN
Power: 12 Volt or 24 Volt DC

Recommended Retail Price: $59.00

Do the research so we can give sound advice. Cheers Tony
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 20:03

Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 20:03
Give Tony B a cigar!!! He gets the award ......

Engel make their plug so it can be unscrewed and then screwed into one of their own dedicated power supply modules. Perfect!
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Reply By: 01xl7 - Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 18:54

Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 18:54
Thanks for all your help guys,

I wont risk it and get the H/D socket, plug and wiring.
at least when i get the Dual Battery set up i can just take it of the main battery and just connect it to the 2nd.
The fridge wont be going when the ignition is off at this stage, so as i wont flatten the main battery over night. there will still be a charge when the car is going.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 at 08:54

Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 at 08:54
I have removed the cig plug from the end of the DC cord and split the wiring to Pos and Neg and attached the Neg to the Negative Terminal of the Auxilliary Battery and the Pos to the Positve Terminal of the Auxilliary battery with a 20amp inline fuse near the terminal. I control the temperature of the fridge from its own switch and also have a dash mounted isolator switch for the batteries.

It works for me. Our fridge is a 32 lt Engel with a Twozone attachment.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Luke (SA) - Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 16:51

Sunday, Oct 19, 2008 at 16:51
I also removed the cig plug from the end of the DC cord but put an anderson plug. Because when on dirt roads the cig plug would come loose and turn the fridge off. I left about 4 inches of wiring on the cig plug and put an anderson plug on the end to use as an adaptor if needed and I do use it.

I have a Waeco CF50

Cheers Luke
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Reply By: Rod W - Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:09

Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:09
01x17,
What the Eclipse going for in your neck of the woods? I brought one last week (Perth) for $799 including cover, 8lt thermo fridge, picnic set, lock&lock containers, thermometer and umbrella.
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Follow Up By: 01xl7 - Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 19:46

Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 19:46
$899 with the promo pack, except the 8tlr thermo fridge
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