Anderson Plug
Submitted: Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 13:59
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Member - Redfive
Hi All
A friend has a T-Van its connected to his 4wd a 2001 Nissan 4.2 Patrol via a Anderson Plug he has a Piranha DBE180S+ dual battery system when patrol is running you get 14.2 volts at main battery,dual battery and at the A/Plug end on the car on the T-Van by its self its reading 12.6 at the battery same at the plug.
But if you connect the to together at the plug you get 14.2 at the battery? we are getting 13.6 even just across the plug it still reads 13.6 why the T-Van battery getting 14.2 like all the rest anyone got any ideas
Glenn...
Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 14:39
Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 14:39
Glen, you would be trying to charge the battery to achieve the same result to get it up from the 12.6 that you are reading at the plug. You may be inputting 14.2 until the plugs are
united, but then the voltage drops. You will be required to put in more amps to get the voltage up.
With a lot of the charging systems there is only a small cable that connects the tralier to the car charging system. That small cable restricts the amps that can be transferred. With that restriction, the voltage drops and it will take a lot longer to actually charge the battery and get it to required voltage if the size of the cable is too small.
I have the cable to the back of the car at about 8mm for the actual diameter of the copper within the insulation. The cable is as big as your finger to the back of the car.
There are sites on the web that give the voltage drop over distance as you try to poke more amps through. Just part of the physics of electricity.
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 14:51
Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 14:51
Hi Glenn
Was`a little hard to follow your description.
To read a lower voltage you have to be drawing current (perhaps charging the Tvan battery).
Resistance in the leads or connectors causes the volts drop.
(can also be weak battery,faulty fuse holder etc )
So if on car side of the A plug you have your 14.2v then abnormal resistance is on the Tvan side.
If on car side of A plug you have your 12.6 then abnormal resistance is on the car side.
1/2 V drop is normal if using leads of 8mm sq copper cables which should be minimum size.
(I note John used 8mm cable size to Great minds........)
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Follow Up By: Krakka - Friday, Oct 17, 2008 at 06:00
Friday, Oct 17, 2008 at 06:00
I'm no 12v expert but, would of thought .5v drop was big drop. I have 0v drop at my anderson plug connection, even 0v drop at 12v socket in rear of my L/Cruiser. .5 volt drop is way too much.
Regards
Krakka
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Oct 17, 2008 at 08:23
Friday, Oct 17, 2008 at 08:23
Hi Krakka
Under charging conditions its hard to have much less than 0.5v
as even with good 8mm sq cable a 5m run = 0.5v at 25 amps.
After battery has been on charge for a while this drops off a real lot and you get much lower volts drop readings.
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Reply By: Rossc0 - Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 14:58
Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 14:58
Could be dirty connectors in the anderson plugs, get some CO Contact cleaner and spray them.
Or the contacts in the a/plugs crimped only not soldered on to the cable and get moisture in them which causes corrosion and thus bad connection, pull them apart and solder cables to contacts.
Or cable size too small, use a bigger cable should be at least 6mm square.
Cheers
Ross
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Reply By: Flywest - Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 15:59
Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 15:59
Nope...
Just had this on a Pirahna system my son installed.
The 12.6v your reading when the plug is connected is comming back from the fully charged battery in the van, while the 14.6v at the anderson plug is comming from the alternator on the vehicle.
You have a bad earth somewhere - maybe to the TVan chasis and thats stopping the alternator 14.6 volts getting to the TVan battery - it's stopping at the anderson plug or bad earth there abouts..
Least that was the cause with ours, turned out to be paint on the panel on
the spot we connected the earth strap, when we bared
the spot down to fresh metal we suddenly got 14.6v at the second battery...
Trust me, I'm from the government and I'm here to help you! he he he.
Cheers!
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Reply By: Member - Redfive - Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 16:19
Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 16:19
Gentleman
Thanks for all your help gota love this
forum I should have said in the 1st tread.
Both Anderson plugs are brand new we bared the wire solded the wire then crimped on the terminal and sealed the ends with solder .
The cable from the 2nd battery running though the car is about 8mm or so might be bigger its huge its about the same as a set of jumper cables got it off some sparky he knows it is earth via the same cable to the towbar we ground off all the paint and stuff i know we should have run it to the 2nd battery but it wasn't long enough im thinking might be the earth on the T-Van cause there 14.2 at the plug on the 4by maybe might look at the cable on trailer too cause its a gal dripped chassis bet they didnt grind it off were they earth it and the trailers 6 years plenty of time to get all grotty
But thanks again for all your help
Glenn..
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Follow Up By: Rossc0 - Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 16:28
Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 16:28
Should not need to grind of the gal dip as it is metal afterall.
What happens if you disconnect the battery in the TVan and have the cable connected to the car do you get 14.2V at the battery cable in the tvan.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 18:50
Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 18:50
You should NEVER solder then crimp as it is likely to break the soldered connection and lead to corrosion. The accepted method today is to crimp only.
That is with proper commecial crimpers not the crappy ones you get in a cheap kit.
So the man at Battery World tells me anyway.
In saying that I have a set of very heavy duty jumper cables I made out of welding cable and soldered the ends about 12 years ago and they are still Ok.
Just dont crimp the soldered connections as then the solder can also shrink and give a bad connection
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 17:10
Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 at 17:10
Hi Glenn,
Have you an ARRID Twin Charge in the T-van? This boosts the incoming voltage from the vehicle plug up to ~14.2V and ensures the van battery is properly charged (compensates for voltage drop from the vehicle). This would be one explanation for the higher van voltage than the trailer connection plug voltage.
Cheers
Captain
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Reply By: Member - Redfive - Friday, Oct 17, 2008 at 20:11
Friday, Oct 17, 2008 at 20:11
Hello Gentleman
Well just got back home from my mates place we put a dirty great big earth on the T-Van battery and in doing that halved the voltage drop we got the trailer up to 13.9 im thinking know is just the extra distance it has to travel in the trailer to get to the battery so we have a .3 different my mates more than happy with that and thanks again for all your help
Glenn...
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