CRIKEY . $280 fine for walking the dog off the lead .

methinx that them sitting on their arses were out enjoying life and not sitting ensconced in a tirade of vitriol against the world cause once in a while they step in dog crap. And the consultative process works as always and noone knows the fines changed until you get lumbered.

Why on earth this "crime" can take precedence over road presence of the wallopers I am at a loss to explain

Sounds believable to me. Here's a quote from a news article on Council fines:

Pet owners are the most common target across NSW, with 6339 fines being issued for not having a dog under "effective control"

Council's $12m petty fine spree

Dunco ,

Two instances I know of in the last two weeks . This is not heresay .

The first , a gent was fined for not having his border collie on a lead .

The second , a little old lady walked out to get her paper accompanied by her fierce ( but shivering ) schnautzer . A highway patrolman who was operating a radar trap outside her house ( 60m from mine ) gave her a serious warning about the law and the possible fine involved for her heineous criminal action ( my words ).

"So, never mind all the truth, just write something to get people whinging" Are you calling me a liar ?

Willie

Sounds believable and at times necessary, judging by some of the dropkicks who let their dogs roam around without any form of restraints. If an infringement notice was issued, then it would have been by a council ranger, not police.

It is "normally" Council rangers who enforce Council laws !!!
Cops wouldn't waste their time...I thoroughly believe the Rangers would fine you though


And Willie, you originally said that the cops were dishing out fines and now (above) you said that the cops warned someone...well, sorry mate...I think there is a little fibbing here just to get things going...eh ?

So, because one dog is well behaved, we should let them all run free once again. Good on you mate, that should get a few people in hospital with some dog bites.

And I still don't believe you...your story is changing somewhat old mate

Willie

I am in no way calling you a liar, maybe a whinger. I will just define hearsay. If you were not present when your first neighbour got a ticket for his unrestrained dog and you never heard any of the conversation between the neighbour and the person handing out the infringement notice, then that is hearsay. On the second occasion, your other neighbour received a verbal caution for a similar offence from the HWP man. Do you call that harrassment? I thought that was fair and reasonable. Unless you live in a high crime area, I am sure the police have far better things to do than chase dogs and hasstle your neighbours.

I hope you are right . I will test your theory anyway , as my dog heels well and I do not like putting her on a lead .

Willie

As Dunco says- we in general expect council rangers to enforce council laws. Unfortunately this is the theory, but not the reality in many cases. However I don't think it is appropriate for the police to be enforcing these laws either.
I have had several tragic experiences with other peoples dogs attacking, and in one case killing, my pets. It is a horrific situation and the insult to this situation was twofold - one the lack of appropriate action taken by the council rangers, and two - the indignation of the dog owners when confronted with their wrongdoing. I have a very very hard line on this now. As far as I'm concerned - if its your dog- you are responsible for it and even a momentary lapse of control- can lead to a tragedy for someone else. Doc.

Spot on, oz doc.

If it's your dog then it's your responsibility (same as kids).

Speaking from experience, I was riding my motor cycle down a steep hill at Burleigh Hds earlier this year when a pit bull came out of nowhere and tried eating my front tyre. My options were to either drop the bike (expensive), run into a line of angle parked cars (even more $$$), run over the mutt (rather like running over a concrete curb, probably more $$$) or giving it a big dose of the wake-up stick courtesy of my boot. While I was acting on the latter action, I also managed to run over its paw (I think) at which point it limped off and I pulled over around the corner for a long shake and wind-down.

My wife had been following in the car and had seen the whole thing and was also very shaken (Hey, I'm her favourite hubby!). When she finally pulled up next to me (quite a few minutes later due to traffic light changes, etc) she told me that the owner of aforementioned mutt had stood and watched the whole thing as he had been walking the dog without a leash and it had just taken off after me with him shouting at the dog to come back.

I don't write this with any joy as I'm a dog lover (although not currently a dog owner) and it pains me that I had to stick my boot into its ribs, BUT if it's a choice between my getting gravel rash and a repair bill for $3000 against a cheesed-off pooch and owner, well, it's the dog and its owner that's going to lose every time.

There's a time and place for everything and always confining dogs to leashes is destroying part of what makes a dog a great companion - watching them run free is great for the human spirit as well as for the dog's welfare. But it's got to be the right time and place!

OK, rant over. A big pat for all the dogs out there. When we stop travelling Oz, we'll get another one. Life's a bit empty without a 4 footed child or two around the place.

Cheers,
Chris

I don't know. NSW must be completely different from Queensland.

Here the police enforce Criminal Legislation. Never do they enforce Council BY Laws which control such instances.
Kev

Dunco, some years ago I was told that I probably wouldn't be stopped by police at up to 9-10 kph above the limit. I may picked up by a camera below that speed of course. I have to admit I was above the 9-10 kph limit to came into the bigger bracket.

If the fine is big enough for the process obvioulsy they will do it. Just do the cost/benefit analysis to justify it.

With the speed limit, they have to do paper work, with a camera it is automated. If the fine is low, it doesn't return as well. It just goes to show it is revenue raising that they are after you for, nothing like road safety or government riteousness.

John,

You are a poor individual who has been brain washed by media.

And what has this got to do with the original posting ????
Please get a life mate.

Dunco, it is what they do for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I am not sure where the media come into it from your post.

My life, eh, is it so uncertain? I don't think you have much clue on that

I won't follow, you could be lost.

Johnny,

Why I say get a life is that you are believing the media because they report on the so called revenue raising. It is a hype mate.

What they do to get the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s is book people that are ACTUALLY doing something wrong, that may impact on other peoples lives. But when someone gets booked the first thing they do is cry "revenue raising"....never mind the hundred times they got away with it before or about the other people who get away with it...or kill or injure someone due to the stupidity...or in your case ..ignorance

But then again, you know better.

No Dunco, you are the one calling the kettle black.- stupid, ignorant and obviously a know it all. isn't that where you are coming from now? Yes, exactly!

Hahaha...that's right...no real argument, just be a Bart Simpson.
"I know what you are, but what am I"

Think what you like Johnny boy. If it makes you happy criticising those who try and do the right thing, then go right ahead.

LMAO here

Dunco, I left the word arrogant off the list too.

On arguments, you aren't worth spending the time on.

Member - JohnR (Vic)

I think you will find that, Dunco (NSW). is an ex copper.. LOL

Hahahahahahahaah

Cheers

Richard Koavc

Ah...Richard is back.Well done old son...still putting your nose in where it is not wanted. Who cares what I used to be...if you are correct. But, then again, you are always correct mate...as we have seen in the past...NOT

And John, why do you keep replying then ?

Sleep well

Sleep well
Hi


Ha haa

Cheers Richard.

Ps I was on your side as well....

John just can't help him self

Richard...well don't give the game up too early if your on my side mate :-)

Frank Green (Dec), was the Asst Comm for Tarffic in Victoria up until about 6 years ago.

After his retirement from the role, and resumption of life as a citizen, he openly admitted that speed cameras were placed where they would catch the most people speeding, to raise revenue. "Black Spots" were not a consideration.

Typical type of spot: at the bottom of a hill. And I can tell you from experience. I had the CC set at 80 in an 80 zone. As I coasted down a hill my speed rose to 91 just as I passed the speed camera.

Location: Stud Rd, Rowville. Four lane Hwy with very wide median strip. Time 9am on clear sunny Sunday Morning.

Jim.

Brilliant solution Einstein, I'll go out on a limb here... you musn't own a dog. If you have then have you ever exersized your dog by throwing a tennis ball or frisbee at your local oval or park?? If so then try doing that with the mutt on a lead.

Once again responsible people are being held accountable for the actions of a small minority of goons that do the wrong thing. It's is an all too common approach to law making nowadays...

Yes I own a dog and it gets exercise by running alongside me while I jog. Its just a medium size terrier bitsa and I put a muzzle on it because the council I live in tells me I should.

My dog has twice been attacked while I was running by other dogs not on leads (or muzzled).

So don't you dare call me Einstein because I am a responsible dog owner.

I don't think so Mike

And we live in the BEST country in the world...what laws don't suit you precious ?

>And we live in the BEST country in the world

Which other countries have you lived in for you to be able to make such a judgement?

>what laws don't suit you precious ?

It’s a long list Dunco but:

Anti-Terrorism Bill 2005
Crimes (Family Violence) Act 1987 (Victoria)
Migration Act 1958 (Dr Haneef – remember?)

are a few. Are you happy with every provision of those bills, for starters?

Australia has a lot of positives but it is not perfect and it is such jingoistic attitudes as yours which put at risk the freedoms upon which this country was founded. Vigilance is the watchword – complacency is the pastime of the apathetic.

Are you suggesting, Dunco, that you are perfectly satisfied with every piece of legislation in this country and that nothing needs changing?

Mike Harding

I have visited a lot of places and lived in others...YEP...Australia is the best country EVER.

Simple...don't like it...pack up and go elsewhere.
We might be better off

Personally, I think the laws are fine...although a few mistakes are made by humans now and then.

Good luck with changing them Mike !

>Don't follow me, I could be lost

Good advice Dunco

Hahaha.

Good comeback mate....but is that the best you can do ?

I don’t want to “win” Dunco – that’s why I’m not a “Last Word Man”, I simply want to try and make people think about issues and question the status quo.

Mike Harding

Very good comment MH.
Should be read, then re read by the respondants to this post.
But naturally, it will still go over the head of most.
From yet another "on the leash" dog walker.
furph

Mike, I agree with you even if you tend to think far more out of the square than myself.

I cant think of anything, off hand, that one can do that's not governed by a law or regulation. In your home, work place or in the social sphere.

What you say is policed, what you do is policed and eventually what you think will be policed also.

Remember once there was a line that divided Democracy and Communism but these days they appear to be one and the same.

Your complying with the law and have a happy dog:
Put a leash on the bloody thing then let it go.....hahaha.

Cheers......Lionel.

Australia is the best country, just a pitty about some of the people in it !!!.......LOL.

>I cant think of anything, off hand, that one can do that's not
>governed by a law or regulation. In your home, work place or in
>the social sphere.

I’ll cut the description short else it would take a page: on Monday this week my younger son (23) and I wanted to cross a road which only led into a building site – a short road, 100m, with no traffic in sight, as we commenced the crossing a workman shouted “I’ll have you cross over here sir” – I replied that I had been crossing roads on my own for the past 50 years – he was not amused and berated me for my refusal to submit to his requirements. I thought this summed up, pretty well, the situation we have allowed to occur.

>What you say is policed, what you do is policed and eventually what
>you think will be policed also.

Already happened Lionel: a few years back (3?) a man in WA was convicted for something he had written on his PC – nothing else, no actions, no events, no publication, no harm – his son-in-law found a story written by the guy on the man’s PC and the man was convicted of some sort of child pornography crime.

>Your complying with the law and have a happy dog:
>Put a leash on the bloody thing then let it go.....hahaha.

Now _THAT’S_ thinking outside the square! I like it Lionel :)

>Australia is the best country

I agree :) But it won’t stay that way if we all sit on out backsides and say “She’ll be right mate”.

Mike Harding

They are getting stuck into people on jaywalking in Melbourne for the potential $57 fine Bro. They probably won't do the fine thing as it means paperwork though.

ROFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

'sternly warned' What a load of rubbish Willie! If it happened at all, the coppers would be embarrassed to have to do it. Of course they would have advised her of the amount of the possible fine. Why the double exclamation marks?
Its a bylaw issue and should be done by council rangers. Every council has designated areas for dogs off lead. Find them and use them if you want. Your dog may be well trained. Many are not.
What a beat up of a thread!

"Why the double exclamation marks? "
Who knows , in fact who cares .

"What a beat up of a thread" You just added to the crap, so what are you complaining about .

Bloody $hitstirrer LOL

"I don’t want to “win” Dunco – that’s why I’m not a “Last Word Man”, I simply want to try and make people think about issues and question the status quo.

Mike Harding"


Could've fooled me Mikey old son !
You keep showing up at the end of the page...