Toyota vs Nissan service

Submitted: Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 22:36
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I just had my cruiser in for its 10,000km service and when asked if there was any issues, I mentioned that the tail-shaft clunked a bit when taking off with a heavy throttle, but otherwise all was fine. The tail-shaft had been re-greased at 6,000km due to the known issue of insufficient grease from the factory.

When I picked it up they said a new shaft was on order and sorry for the inconvenience of having to bring it back to have it fitted. What a mighty nice change compared to Nissan Australia's attitude to customer service - its like pulling teeth to get an obvious warranty item of minimal value fixed by Nissan and usually takes 2-3 return visits just to have it approved. Yet here is Toyota replacing a tailshaft for a minor clunk, now that is Service.

This just vindicates my decision to avoid Nissan like the plague after the woeful customer service I received with my GU. Any vehicle can have a mechanical issue, but its how the manufacturer looks after it that makes the difference.

Not starting a Nissan vs Toyota vehicle debate, as I still reckon my GU was a great vehicle, but definitely bagging Nissan's customer care.

Cheers

Captain
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Reply By: Trekkie (Member - WA) - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 22:55

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 22:55
Ahhh Captain you are going to start a NissToy war
But I must agree - when under warranty my 100S had various jobs done by Toyota - no questions ever asked - even replaced the trim on the LH rear panel under warranty - it got ripped of by a branch. Replaced a switch on the side of the gear box (controls the 4WD control) got ripped off by a branch in a rough creek crossing. Put a new chip in the gearbox controls when I commented on it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 23:55

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 23:55
Hi Trekkie,

Good to see that the Toyota customer care is not just a flash in the pan.

Cheers

Captain
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Reply By: Willem - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 23:02

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 23:02
Captain

Yes, I am afraid you are starting an unwarranted debate. You are relating a tale of bad service by a Nissan Dealer? or the Nissan Factory?

We bought two Nissans a while ago from a country dealer. The diesel is my toy(and very second hand) and has not been back but I have bought some spares from that dealer for it. The Xtrail has had all the major services done there and even after warranty expired and there have been three recalls by Nissan for minor corrections. We have nothing but praise for that dealership in our dealings with them.

Whereas there have ben some issues mentioned on this forum about Nissan's lack of customer service from the Head Office perspective I wonder just how many 'good news' stories there are compard to the 'bad news' ones perpetuated on this forum?


Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 23:41

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 23:41
Hi Willem,

Its a Nissan Australia thing, my Nissan dealer was very, very good and they were often apologising for the lack of customer service by Nissan.

I went out of my way to use the dealer I did (~50km extra trip, a big distance when living ~5km from another dealer) yet I would have to make 2-3 trips to have an issue sorted as the Nissan Aus rep had to see any warranty work before the job was done and sometimes they wouldn't show up when booked which meant an extra trip and then another to have the work done.

I wish I did have a "good news" story from Nissan, I loved my GU and would like to be able to say how good the after sales service was. My track record on here is that I don't subcribe to the doom and gloom of the series III+ 3.0TD's and still reckon they are a great reliable vehicle. The service I got for my Hyundai was also exceptional and to date Mazda have been good (but haven't really needed to use them), Toyota are good so why is Nissan dropping the ball?

Cheers

Captain

PS. Enjoy your trip, making me very envious.

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 06:52

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 06:52
OK Captain

I take your point :-)


Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark G (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:07

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:07
gday guys
its hard to put NISSAN & SERVICE in the same sentence,thats with my dealings anyway,cheers.
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Reply By: Bap - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 23:22

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 23:22
Hi Captain,
just to give a good story about Nissan, when we bought our second had 2003 GU from an auction two years ago we took it on a holiday within weeks of getting it and it overheated all the way to Ningaloo and back! We took it in to our local Nissan dealer (it was still under warranty) and they discovered the radiator was blocked up with spinifex. (the car had come from up North) They cleaned it out without question and at no cost to us. I know it may only have been a small job but it wasn't really a warranty job and the quality of customer service was excellent.
Michelle
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 23:43

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 23:43
Hi Michelle,

Thats good to hear the dealer looked after you, and in my experience the Nissan dealers have been good. Unfortunately it has been Nissan Australia that has let me down on more than one occasion, not the dealer.

Cheers

Captain
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Reply By: young_codger - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 23:39

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 23:39
If they were the same price you'd have to get the Toyota.

Only problem is the Toyota's got an independant front end and is $20k more.

Maybe a 2year old Landcruiser is the way to go over a Patrol??
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 23:48

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 23:48
Yep, the $20K is a big dis-incentive for the cruiser - the GU patrol is a comparatively keenly priced product. As for the IFS, I too was concerned about it, but the new coil IFS with KDSS has proven to have MORE overall wheel travel than a GU patrol.

Cheers

Captain
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Reply By: Borgy.. (SA) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 00:03

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 00:03
G'day Captain

Like you i dont want to start a Nissan vs Toyota thing either....But in all fairness most of the issues with Nissan 3litres appear to happen when the vehicle is out of warranty??....Now i know that modern day motors should definetley last a lot longer than what these things are...and seriously i think Nissan should be held accountable for them ...My question , not just at you btw, is apart from the motor probs, is the customer service for any other issues acceptable?? Has anyone had a motor go before their warranty expired?? and if so what was the service from Nissan like??

Cheers....Borgy (with adjusted attitude)
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 00:37

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 00:37
Hi Borgy,

My 3.0TD never had a motor issue. In fact my GU motor was a pearler and I reckon it was great (the EGR was blocked and the MAF regularly cleaned). I had a few issues under warranty with most being resolved eventually after 2-3 trips to have sorted (see comments above). But at 105,000kms my dual mass flywheel failed - the fluid leaked out and the flywheel had to be replaced, along with the clutch, even thought the clutch had plenty of life left in it. Do you think Nissan wanted to know about it?

I still reckon the GU 3.0TD is a great vehicle and most dealers do a good job too, just needs better customer service from Nissan Australia.

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:36

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:36
Hi Borgy

To answer your question my Patrol had what now appears to be a freak problem and a couple of weeks after brand new, had its engine fail.

At first there was disbelief that it could of failed by itself but as soon as it was proven by Nissan's Technical department then I had one of those formative experiences that I value a lot.

There were no spare engines in this country and Nissan air freighted one in from Japan at enormuos expense and in the meantine gave me 3 new demonstrator Patrols over the next month. An auto, a diesel 4.2 and a Ti.

I promptly went 4wding big time, compared all these cars on a track ,even disassembling door trims, taking notes/photo's so I would know how to modify my car when it came back etc etc.

This whole Nissan episode was a great experience and enabled me to affirm my choice of vehicle with facts and figures in a way I would never have thought possible.

Nissan didn't realize that someone could actually enjoy a new motor experience and gave the unfortunate customer (me) extended service , warranty and other things for free.

Sorta hard to complain after that!
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:44

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:44
Hi Robin,

WHAT... I thought the 4.8 engine was bullet proof. In all the years on this forum I have never heard you mention this!!! You have just bleep tered my belief that Nissan can in fact produce a bullet proof engine - as if anyone else can :)

But, you seem to have been well treated by Nissan Australia (as you should!). If Nissan did this for all their customers then there wouldn't need to be a thread like this - and I might still be driving a Nissan!!!

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 13:19

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 13:19
Hi Captain

I'm surprized I surprized you - I left out description for fear of boring people by telling the story over again.

From all of my involvement with various forums clubs etc I believe it is one of those engines that is near bullet proof.

However, there is always the human factor - It appears in my case, the only one ever reported, the timing gear bolts were not tensioned (it was one of the first 4800's in the country), basically the timing gear fell off and the twin overhead cams jammed leaving the 24 valves to have a brief war with the 6 pistons.

This engine was Nissans new wave, their pride and joy, and much embrassment ensured.
As per above post I sat back and enjoyed the whole event as I quickly realized their was only one outcome possible.

The actual engine eventually ended up in one of those off road racing GU Patrols, worked to the hilt , delivering now over 330kw,
I must get it back before I meet your 200 series!





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Reply By: JR - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:30

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:30
Yeah I had one go at 140000km still in warranty, they retrieved the vehicle, fixed it and I got it back OK
Nissan Aust decided coolant and some other major repair were due then anyway so they wouldnt pay for this !!!!!

Dealer tried a bit but then now they have gotten worse. Need to book in service 3-4 weeks in advance, then they come back with problems or requested fixes not done.
Current 4.2tdi has an issue where sometimes it wont turn off - 3 years and 80000km still no fix from Nissan
Dealer doesnt care either
JR
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Reply By: JR - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:33

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:33
Reread my post - they did pay for the engine repair but not the scheduled service items like coolant, oil, filters etc
And there was some item (big $$ ) which I had to pay for because it was due to be serviced then anyway
I thought this was a bit rich seeing as I had to rent a car for work for 3 weeks
JR
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:45

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:45
Seeing as this thread is talking about dealer service here is my recent experience. I was travelling Brisbane to Perth with an older Troopy and started to get an occasional horrible graunch noise from the left front area whilst travelling down the Great Central Road. By the time I got to Kalgoorlie it was happening often enough to need some attention. Checked out several mechanics who all said that they could not even look at it for almost two weeks. Went to Toyota and they spent some time checking to see if they did actually have the parts (swivel bearing set) on the shelf. They actually got the parts package out of their store and compared each part with their on screen exploded view of the hubs. Only when they were sure that they had all of the required bits in stock did they see if they could fit me in to do the job. The parts kit comes as an axle set (both sides) and the job book schedule did not have enough spare time available so the office woman asked if I would accept only the broken side being replaced and as I was travelling take the parts to have the other side fixed elsewhere at a later date. Then she had an idea and went out to the workshop to see if anyone wanted to do some extra hours. Result, bring the vehicle in by 6 am tomorrow morning and we will have both sides done before lunchtime. All the people I spoke to were very professional in their approach to the job required and bent over backward to fix a travellers problem and get them back on the road again.

An interesting bit of info from a sales person at Kalgoorlie, 8 month backlog on orders for new Troopies (a couple of hundred on order!). At the request of mining companies they were 'de-rating' the new V8 Troopies by putting a new chip in the engine management box. It seems that all the extra power was going to the heads of to many drivers resulting in speeding and accidents.
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Follow Up By: JR - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 20:17

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 20:17
Or maybe they like the idea of an unstressed large displacement engine for longevity?
jr
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 20:24

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 20:24
The guy told me that one of the 4wd mags (can't remember which one) had sent someone over and they did an interview recently about what they done to the chip so I guess it will be in an article shortly.
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