determining Battery size to run fridge

Submitted: Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 18:45
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Hi all
How do i determine the size of the battery reqd to run my Waeco 60lt fridge.fridge draws according to Waeco draws .85 amp per hour how big would the battery need to be to run it over a weekend, and also if I determined the size battery would running 2 in parrallel double the time that the fridge would run before the batteries needed recharging, thanks in advance for any replies

cheers

Rabs
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Reply By: Member - Tony B (QLD) - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 18:57

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 18:57
Rabs. Lots of more info would be needed before you could get a full answer on this topic from the people that know, here is a good link to do a bit of research

http://www.fridge-and-solar.net/info.htm

Cheers Tony
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 19:38

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 19:38
Thanks for posting that site Tony.
It's full of handy ideas on how to wire up my camper to the Cruiser, and wire in my 3 way for traveling.

Cheers
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Reply By: Member No 1- Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 19:35

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 19:35
a lot depends on:
ambient temps
lid opening
product temp you may put in
temp it is controlled at
etc etc
how long is a piece of string

but as guide you may get 2-3 days form a fully charged large capacity deep cycle battery..more batteries the longer it will last
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Reply By: Boobook2 - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 19:41

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 19:41
Assuming no charging, it is not too hot ( say below 25deg), and you set the fridge to about 3 - 4 degrees, have the food already cold and don't open it often then about a 120 AH should see you through without going below 50% battery capacity ( which kills batteries in a relatively short time). You should average about 1.5A per hour not .85 unless it is colder outside.

Set it to freeze or open it lots and top it up with warm beer and it will last 24 hours with the same battery.
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Reply By: rabs - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 19:49

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 19:49
thanks for the replies, and thanks for the link it was a good read.so assuming i got 2 days out of 1 fridge would 2 in parrallel give me around double?

Thanks again

Rabs
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Follow Up By: rabs - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 19:51

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 19:51
sorry i meant 2 batteries
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony B (QLD) - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 19:57

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 19:57
Rabs. Without working on the mathamatics of the figures, I used to run 1 x 105 amp hr Deep Cycle. As stated above it depends how much use but a day on moderate use would see the low voltage light on the 80l WAECO Flashing by the following morning. I now have 2 and last weekend after 2 days and the following morning still no problems. Then I plugged the genni in to do a recharge, so in experience thats how it seems to work. Cheers Tony
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Follow Up By: Member - 1/2A - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 20:05

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 20:05
I ran two Bushman's one as frezer (-15deg C) and other one as a fridge (0 Deg C) for two overcast days, supplied by 2x 120amp/hour AGM's, the solar panel input was 2Amps. The battery capacity according the to monitor was 76% on the third morning. OAT was about 28 deg. C during the day, 12 deg C during the night.
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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Saturday, Oct 25, 2008 at 06:34

Saturday, Oct 25, 2008 at 06:34
A waeco 60l will use about half the current or less of a waeco 80l which is one of the hungryiest fridges on the market. It use a CF50 compressor and freezes the 60l uses the smaller and less power intensive CF35.
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Reply By: Maîneÿ (wa) - Saturday, Oct 25, 2008 at 10:15

Saturday, Oct 25, 2008 at 10:15
rabs,
you ask,
(a) How do i determine size of battery to run fridge with draw of <1 amp per hour ?
(b) How big would the battery need to be to run it over a weekend.'

the fridge uses ~1 AH, so uses ~48 Amps in 48 hours
** - ONLY IF YOUR NUMBERS ARE ACCURATE- **
( I don't think they're realistic in real world usage )

the "web site" nominated gives you the answers and 'reasons' for those answers too.
As posted above you should never allow the battery to get below 50% of battery capacity.

Is a case for 'bigger is better' as you can't have too much battery power :-))

Mainey . . .
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Oct 25, 2008 at 12:07

Saturday, Oct 25, 2008 at 12:07
>.85 amp per hour

Hmmmmm.... I suspect Waeco are being "economical with the truth". My guess is that for most people using the fridge in a normal camping situation it would be at least 1.25 amps per hour.

So; 1.25 * 24 = 30Ah

Now it's best not to discharge an AGM battery below 70% of capacity in order to maximise its life - regularly discharging one to 50% will reduce it's life to about 500, or fewer, cycles whereas staying at 70%+ will increase life to around 2000 to 3000 cycles.

In light of the above my suggestion is a 100Ah AGM and a $99 GMC generator providing you have space for the gen and its noise is not an issue. Actually you'll need a charger too (the 12V "charger" in the gen won't hack it) so that's about another $150 from Jaycar, maybe $100?

With a 15A charger you'll need to run the gen for about 2 hours per day so a long extension lead would be in order.

If the gen is not an option you could go for 2 x 100Ah batteries (we're talking $600! Expensive beer) which would give you two days of running or three if you're prepared to push the batteries.

Ah the beauty of 3 way fridges :)

Mike Harding
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Reply By: oldtrack123 - Saturday, Oct 25, 2008 at 18:50

Saturday, Oct 25, 2008 at 18:50
Hi Rabs
Many frig manufacturers put out these mythical figures which realy mean nothing,they are based on the average current used over 24hrs with controlled conditions that do not in any way represent real conditions.
The wattage[ should be on the nameplate somewhere] divided by 12 will give you a much clearer idea of the current draw in amps while the fridge is actually running . How much it runs in any 24hr period & there for how long the bat lasts is totally dependent on your conditions of use.ie ambient temp ,thermo setting ,heat of items going into frig, frequency of opening & length of time opened etc .Depending on these conditions the fridge may run for 20% or up to 100% of the time.
YES running 2 in parallel will give you the combined amp hr output but do not discharge wet lead acid bats beyond 50% capacity if you want long bat life ie 2x100amps hr bats give effective only 100 amp hrs of usable power
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