new Video Camera needed but advice first

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I put this to the EO team but no reply and as Im about to go to shops in 30 minutes I thought I could get some ideas off you first.

2yrs ago on our central oz trip we took out video camera - jvc thing - now 5 yrs old. and had 2 tapes of filming except the 2nd tape can only be viewed in fast forward. We think its had a heap of sand in it the tape cos it got dropped a few times on big red....

We have also had issues with conectiing it to the coimputer since the very beginning to make dvd's instead of videos.....(we even have a hard drive dsvd thing but its now not acknowledging dvd's at all so it cannt be used)

So we want to look a the cameras with the hard drive's / memory card things and have done some reading but not lots.....

How do they go being used on a dirt road / out in the bush / setting up on dashes and going over corrigation etc???

(and whats the norm for memory capacity...Ive seen then with 48gb....)
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Reply By: oz doc - Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 14:39

Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 14:39
Hi Kiwi, all of those things you mentioned are a problem for cameras. It seems to me that as technology is racing forward, the price of these items is generally falling, but so is the lifespan. For instance , a $500 3.1 megapixel camera with 125mb memory card 5 years ago (still working fine), a $400 10megapixel camera with 2gb card 18 months ago (now stuffed) , and an $80 camera with 10megapixels and 2 gb card 1 month ago. Who knows how long the latter will last. Cost to repair the $400 camera- $165. doc.
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Reply By: _gmd_pps - Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 14:48

Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 14:48
buy one with memory card only .. no hard drive
they are cheap enough now .. no tape - no problems
there are many brands doing this now ..
good luck
gmd
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Follow Up By: oz doc - Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 14:55

Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 14:55
I second that. When our last camera malfunctioned, I was able to stick the memory card into the new camera and just keep going. I notice that most of the new cameras have a video mode on them which is handy. I guess you could go either way- a video camera that you can print sill images from, or a normal camera that you can record video on.doc.
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Follow Up By: Kiwi & Grenade - Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 15:07

Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 15:07
ok.....i thought they would be better for those reasons.....what is the normal size memory card you can go with them do you know????

Ive thought of the camera + video cam thing.....could be an option....
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Follow Up By: _gmd_pps - Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 16:15

Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 16:15
you can get 16GB and more
video mode on still is not the same as an video cam
even the new HD video in Canon SLRs is limited in time and quality.
A still cam with video mode is ok for the occasional clip .. not if you are really interested in video .. two different beasts from a production point of view.
And also .. the memory card ones are very easy to transfer to PC ..
just put the card in a reader.. everything else is stone age
good luck
gmd
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Reply By: Member - Warfer (VIC) - Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 15:08

Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 15:08
I would suggest Panosonic over Sony (pathetic warranty service)..Not sure on the JVC....I too was shocked to see the prices (falling) on these new units recently....

Go High Def if you can afford it Kiwi...

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Follow Up By: Kiwi & Grenade - Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 15:12

Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 15:12
HD...add that to the list of things to look for...far out!!LOL!!

JVC warrenty has been pretty good. It came with 2yrs and when it was 2yrs and 6mths nothing was coming u on th screen...could hear it and it was filming - just blue...


I rang and asked them and was told that they would have to look at it to see if it would be covered, if they wouldnt cover it in the warrenty it would cost me $50 for the priviledge...then the cost of fixing it if I wanted to preceed with the repair. They covered it under warrenty....

I saw one advertised at office works on telly for about $450ish I think but dont know anything of it.....
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Follow Up By: Member - Warfer (VIC) - Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 15:35

Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 15:35
Sorry Kiwi was getting a bit carried away when spending someone elses dosh... LMAO


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Follow Up By: Kiwi & Grenade - Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 15:39

Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 15:39
All good....use my money for a wish list if you like!!
I do that....see peoples account balances.....from the atm receipts that get left laying around....I go wish list shopping then!!LOL!!
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 17:13

Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 17:13
Kiwi & Grenade
Look for one that will take 16.9 wide screen , better for the PC Monitors and TV's of today, maybe even a HD would be the go,

Full HD 1080p Recording

Canon HG10 High Definition Digital Video Camera

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Follow Up By: Peter 2 - Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 20:07

Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 20:07
Doug that first one is available for $100 less at Deals Direct, minus the 8gb card which are about $30.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 20:38

Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 20:38
Peter
My links were as an example only, prices were not the issue , that's up to the purchaser,

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Reply By: Member - AJB (VIC) - Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 19:38

Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 19:38
OK I am/was looking for a similar thing and what I wanted was a compact Camcorder that recorded onto a hard drive or memory stick and I also wanted the camcorder to have a high megapixel rating for still images. I found one and it was a JVC but not all stores stocked the particular model. It was about $1200 and had 30GB hard drive and 8-2 MP still camera. I'll look up the model number.
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Follow Up By: Member - AJB (VIC) - Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 19:50

Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 19:50
Camcorder is a JVC GZ-MG730
7-38MP still images
30GB Hard Drive = 37 hours recording (depending on the resolution)

I have several digital stills and they are great for photos but not for videos. I have had several camcorders but they have been great for videos but not great for stills and they have been a bit bulky. This one, which I have not purchased yet, seems to get the best of both worlds so far (next week it may change as technology is rapidly improving). It is compact, has good storage capacity and good still imagery, I think.
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Follow Up By: Kiwi & Grenade - Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 20:37

Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 20:37
thanks, will look them up!
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 19:39

Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 19:39
Ask what is the max size memory card that the camera can handle. My camera is a few years old now and it will not look at any card over 1GB.
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Reply By: GerryP - Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 23:07

Monday, Nov 03, 2008 at 23:07
Whatever you get, I would look carefully at the file format which it outputs. Both JVC and Panasonic use a .MOD which is almost a proprietary format which not many programs will accept. It's nearly an mpeg but wont retain frame size if you record in 16:9. If you google for issues with .MOD files you will find heaps of comments, problems and issues that people have trying to edit them etc. I also have personal experience with these files and quite frankly, would go for something that records directly in mpeg or even avi.
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Follow Up By: Member - RFLundgren (WA) - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 07:34

Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 07:34
GerryP

Its actually a TOD file and is natively accepted by pretty much all of the major NLE's on the market today, including Vegas, Edius, Premiere. It is just an mpeg2 file with a different extension.

We have had our JVC HD camera for about 4 months now and couldnt be happier with it.

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Reply By: Member - RFLundgren (WA) - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 07:47

Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 07:47
Kiwi

We have a JVC GZ HD-7 which is now an older model and I believe has been replaced. We have been extremely happy with ours, the only exception being recording at night (which is always an issue no matter what the camera, even with the pro camera costing 1000's).

We looked at the Sony and after our experience with a SD Sony camera we didnt go there, not to mention having a touch screen on a video camera is a really stupid idea. Just try to get an accurate focus after a day of touching the screen if you are focusing manually.

We went the HD-7 primarily as it gave us full manual control over the camera with these controls being available and easy to get at on the outside of the camera, rather than having to go through countless LCD screens to find what you want.

Feel free to ask any questions and Ill try to answer them for you if you have not already purchased something. OUrs has a 60 gig hard drive and we can get 5 hours at Full HD. I believe that the new ones now have larger hard drives, but the manual features have been hidden back in the camera I believe.

The other reason that the HD-7 appealed to us was that when we bought it, it was the only camera in the sub $2000 range that actually had a real focus ring around the lens for manually focusing. Auto everything is available, but we do like to have control.

I have put a link to one of Tracy's videos on Vimeo. Not sure if it will play as High Definition embeded here, but if it doesnt feel free to go to her page and check it out. Its a music video and not 4 wheel drive related, but it was shot by us, mainly at night and edited in Sony Vegas. Just here to show you the quality you can get. ALso if you look on Ebay for this camera from a company called Hagermeyer, they are the warrenty agents for JVC, and quite often have this model at sub $1000 now, which is a great price, and it still comes with full warranty.

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Reply By: chevypower - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 13:06

Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 13:06
You probably already have it, but I highly recommend the Sony HDR-SR12. If you want to go without the hard drive, and only have flash, go with the HDR-CX12 - same camera in every other way. Amazing images.
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Reply By: That Troopy Bloke (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 05, 2008 at 00:10

Wednesday, Nov 05, 2008 at 00:10
I recently bought a Canon FS11. It has 16GB flash memory, and I have a 16GB SD card in it too. The advantage of the flash memory is no moving parts, so it is ideal for bouncing around on bush tracks mounted on the dash.
I didn't bother with HD, I couldn't see the point of chewing up all that extra memory for my rank amateur videos.

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