Tyre Pliers
Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 10:24
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Foxhound (WA)
G`Day all, A question with regard to Tyre Pliers. I am thinking of buying them but am interested to hear from anyone who owns or has used them. How good do they work? How much should I expect to pay? Is there a better product available? Regards,,Foxhound(WA).
Reply By: Member - Footloose - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 10:30
Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 10:30
Used my set in anger a few times when I had splts on.
Excellent product, as I have a few health problems and doing a tyre is a major hassle.
There are a few products out there, all claim to be better of course.
No idea what they cost, as
mine were bought s/h but unused.
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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 11:14
Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 11:14
Have a look at the R & R Beadbreakers much easier to use particularly if you are of the older generation.
Look here for
R & R Beadbreakers
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Follow Up By: PradoTrev - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 11:33
Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 11:33
I have the R&R and the Club has the TP and I find the R&R much easier to use. Less back breaking.
you do need to practice so you know how to set it up for your sized rims etc.
Price was about $350 with all the goodies including an instructional video on how to use it.
Just get some tire wax though
Trev
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 12:08
Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 12:08
from what i can tell (Ive only used the TP)
TP are faster but the BB is less labour intensive althugh I dint find much labour in using them but it would depend on the individual
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Follow Up By: putrol - Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 18:08
Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 18:08
the tyrepliers are quicker & easier to use thats why they have a nato number its proven it self a in the army & all over the world
the r&r tell you t/p is back breaking but then tell you theres is to be used on a table or tailgate wouldnt that be back breaking luging the tyre on to a tailgate! stick whith tyrepliers garanteed for life & no threads to oil or wear out
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 18:58
Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 18:58
Defence also buys most of its stuff based on price, just because it has a NATO Number and is used by the Army doesn't mean its good, just that its cheaper than anything else.
Just because the T.P has been around longer, is cheaper and does the job does not necessarily mean its the best tool for the job.
Even leaving the tyre on the ground means you can sit or kneel on the ground to operate the tool rather than having to stand over it as you do with T.P's.
Which still means whether its on a table, tailgate or on the ground its a better tool for the job and on your back.
Having used both Tyre Pliers and the R & R in anger I carry the R & R Beadbreaker for a very good reason.
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Reply By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 11:17
Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 11:17
Hi,
I've a set and have used them in anger a couple of times, they beat the hell out of a bead chisel and 4 pound hammer.
Seriously, they work quite
well.
As Footy has stated above there are many variations available from various different sources and all claim to be number 1.
Can't help you on price either as I bought
mine second hand from a gentleman on this site.
Geoff
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Reply By: bushy04 - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 12:15
Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 12:15
Hi, have used tyre pliers for years, and since I am one of the old wrecks around I have found them to work fine.
They also adjust to suit other sizes very easily.
Good value...
Bushy
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Reply By: Steve63 - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 12:36
Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 12:36
Have used them several times on splits and they work fine. Not much effort. Though with splits you only need to get the bead off of the split ring. They are quick to use. Certainly easier than several other ways! There may be a better product out there but they are easy to use, adjustable and get the job done with a minimum of fuss. If you have tubeless I would be using plugs first anyway.
Steve
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Reply By: Member -Signman - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 13:14
Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 13:14
We use tyrepliers..but which ever way you go, do a few practice runs at home first, so you get the knack of how the device is used.
Nothing worse than being out in the bush with all the good gear and no idea how to use them!!!
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Reply By: Patrol22 - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 14:53
Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 14:53
I have a set of Tyre Pliers but have never had to use them....I only carry them just in case and hoping that someone else will come by to show me how it is done :-))
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Reply By: Foxhound (WA) - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 14:55
Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 14:55
First, thanks to all for your reply's. Looks to me like the Tyre plyer should be the way to go. I think I have seen the R R demo done by
Malcolm Douglas once and agree it looks a lot less effort. I can get a new Tyre Plyer from my local ARB for $195 a little less than the other product it seems. As mentioned, plugs are the general form of repair but as you know, now and then it is necessary to replace a tyre and have in the past used a jack under the tow bar to break the bead. As I am a big strong 60 year old the effort required should not be a problem. It is an item of equipment that is rarely used but as I am retired now I hope to do a lot more bush trips and I want something a little easier than the jack method. Regards to all,,, Foxhound(WA).
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Follow Up By: Moose - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 16:14
Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 16:14
G'day Foxhound
$189 incl postage from 4WD
Shop. May be better elsewhere - but I only did a quick Google.
BTW - that's just for the unit - you then need decent levers as
well. You can get the full Tyrepliers kit for for a bit under $400.
As others have said they work
well. And they take up bugger all room.
Cheers from the Moose
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 19:48
Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 19:48
I've used them in anger plenty of times and they work
well on a wide variety of rims and sizes.
A trick that I've always done before and extended trip where tyre replacement on the side of the road is a strong possiblity.
Loosen all the tyres on the rims and put tyre soap on all the beads before refitting, makes getting them off much easier especially if they have been fitted to the rims for a couple of years.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 20:59
Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 20:59
Gday Peter,
I guess theres an upside and downside to everything we do.
With tubeless, I prefer not to put soap on the beads - reduces the chance of rolling a tyre off a rim at low pressure and reduces the chance of tyres rotating on rims and going out of balance. For splits, I'd agree with what you suggest.
I can see the plus side, but as a self-confessed tyre plug fan, its not often a bead needs to be broken.
Cheers
phil
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Follow Up By: Peter 2 - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 21:41
Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 21:41
Phil
You are absolutely correct, I used to use splits exclusively on the troopies and they could be a right PITA to break the bead sometimes especially when the tyres had been on for a while.
Now with the Humvee I've the best of both worlds, tubeless tyres (can use plugs!) and split two piece rims which makes it relatively easy to swap tyres on the rims.
Combined with internal beadlocks, runflats and CTIS it would be very hard to go back to a normal 4wd.
Have never had alloys or one piece rims outback but have watched others struggling and then lent them the tyrepliers ;-))
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 21:05
Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 21:05
Foxhound,
You'll be happy with the tyrepliers.
We were using a set on a new Prado rim a few months back, and it didn't have a setting for 17 inch rims. We ended up drilling an extra 6mm hole in the thing so it could be used.
I no longer take a dedicated beadbreaker - I went back to using a highlift jack, which is kinder to the wheels (especially mags), and serves a lot of other purposes.
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Reply By: slammin - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 23:51
Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 23:51
I've lived remote for over 8 years and been paid to change tyres for travellers, as
well as work vehicles. Some people ask to watch and amazed when it's all done in a few minutes. LOL
I like the tyrepliers simple and fast. As for the levers I like one good'un and 2 crappy ones. Reason being if I lose them for whatever reason I'm not as upset.
Regards,
Slammin.
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Reply By: Member - Bucky, the "Mexican"- Wednesday, Nov 05, 2008 at 04:54
Wednesday, Nov 05, 2008 at 04:54
Foxhound
I have tyre plyers.
Gotta love those tyre Plyers, although I can see why the older generation would prefer the R & R beadbreakers, just remember that you still have to get the tyre off the rim, and there is nothing like some LUX Flakes, and a bit of water to grease things up a little too, and a good heavy rubber mallet, and some swinging and the odd bit of swearing
All done in under 5 minutes, even at 57
Cheers
Bucky
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Follow Up By: Wazza - (Vic) - Wednesday, Nov 05, 2008 at 09:38
Wednesday, Nov 05, 2008 at 09:38
Sorry Bucky, meant to Reply, not follow up your post.
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Nov 05, 2008 at 09:02
Wednesday, Nov 05, 2008 at 09:02
Hi Foxhound
I have also found tyrepliers to be the best prouduct around for breaking beads , but I endorse the comments about possible damage to alloys.
I brought a set , and loved them so much , that friend made me a copy one morning but with a couple of improvements that reduced there weight from 3 to 2 kg and made then more or less a fixed size by not incorporating the adjustment part.
While there are alternatives like jacking from a towbar etc I have found that these are less effective and tend to work when everthing is ok but not when things get tough.
Great tool and I always carry them.
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Reply By: Foxhound (WA) - Wednesday, Nov 05, 2008 at 09:56
Wednesday, Nov 05, 2008 at 09:56
Thanks again everyone for all your replys and ideas, looks like Tyre Pliers for me,,,,Regards to all,,,Foxhound(WA)
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Wednesday, Nov 05, 2008 at 17:33
Wednesday, Nov 05, 2008 at 17:33
G'day Foxhound,
I can't coment on the Tyreplyers have never even seen them used.
I have a R & R Beadbreaker and have used it on 4 different vehicles. GQ Patrol 15" rims, GU Patrol 16" rims, Landrover Discovery 16" rims and cross plys with a tube and a Holden Astra with 16" alloys and low profile road tyres.
The R & R worked a treat on all of the above with no damage to the alloys on my sisters Astra.
I have completely removed tyres from wheels on the GQ, the Landie and the Astra and don't know how I would have got them back on without the R & R. Can tyreplyers help with this? I don't know but once you get it off you have only done half the job.
Duncs
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Reply By: Pebble - Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 17:54
Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 17:54
I learned to use tire pliers when I was doing a tafe course (4x4 recovery was a part of it). Now fast forward many years and we have a set, Hubby has used them several times, most recently a week ago to put a tube in father in laws spare which was going flat all the time.
Never thought of using a high lift jack - sounds like a good idea in a pinch!
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