HF installation

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I am in the process of installing a HF radio but would like opinions on whether i should power it from the cranking battery or auxiliary battery

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Damo
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Reply By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 10:14

Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 10:14
Damo,

The advice I originally wrote in the article now linked to the thread is:

Run a power cable from the Main battery - Not the Aux battery to the control box. (The radio is useless if the fridge has drained the Aux battery and you have an emergency - NOTE: no cold beer because the Aux battery's flat is not classified as an emergency).

See the HF Radio Installation Article.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil B (WA) - Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 10:45

Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 10:45
I agree with David use main battery
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 11:18

Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 11:18
"NOTE: no cold beer because the Aux battery's flat is not classified as an emergency). "

Speak for yourself:)

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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 20:26

Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 20:26
The HF radio will contribute to the phantom loads on the cranking battery if you connect it there. I would be more inclined to connect it to the auxiliary battery but have some means of connecting it to the cranking battery in case of the demise of the auxiliary battery. That way you have the best of both worlds.

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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 20:36

Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 20:36
. . . . then if you forget to turn the HF Radio off, you could end up with a flat Aux and Main Battery.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 20:53

Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 20:53
"but have some means of connecting it to the cranking battery in case of the demise of the auxiliary battery." does not mean you connect the HF radio to both batteries at the same time, unless you have a poor sense of how to wire a vehicle.

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Follow Up By: joff1 - Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 23:05

Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 23:05
Mines runs off the power block down the back that is fed from the Aux batt. If the battery is ever flat and I reeaaaally need to use the HF I reckon I'll find a way to power it up.
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Reply By: Damo1970 - Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 11:17

Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 11:17
Fantastic, thanks for the advice guys
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 12:31

Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 12:31
Yep re the main battery - when talking to people on skeds I get the impression that most HF users would only clock up a couple of minutes per day on transmit (significant power draw) and maybe 10 minutes on receive (much lower power - monitoring skeds while getting on with the core business of outback travel ..... well, thats what I usually do anyway :-o).
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 17:44

Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 17:44
I used to install them and we always connected them to the main battery in dual battery installations.
Another point to note is NEVER connect the negative of the HF power cable direct to the battery. For that matter never connect the negative lead of anything direct to the battery without fusing it.
Always connect it to the chassis or body end of the vehicles negative lead where it connects to the vehicle.
The reason is that if you have a crook, high resistance or broken negative cable between the negative battery terminal and where it connects to the vehicle (engine, chassis or body) then the starting current will take the best /shortest path which is through the nice fat cable connected to your HF.
Believe me the HF is good for nothing after 400+ amps has gone through it. I've even seen where the transmitter wasn't grounded correctly and the starting current has tried to go through the autotune antenna wrecking everything!
If you must connect the negative HF power cable to the battery put a similar fuse to the positive cable in the line.
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Follow Up By: Member - Serg (VIC) - Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 18:40

Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 18:40
Huh? I would say it completely on the contrary – connect negative terminal from radio DIRECTLY to negative terminal of battery with proper thick cable. Your remark about fusing negative (as well as positive) cable is VERY valid though.

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Follow Up By: Peter 2 - Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 19:10

Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 19:10
Serg
After seeing what the result is inside the HF we never connected the neg lead direct to the battery.
It was felt that it was better to connect the negative to the vehicle end of the main battery neg lead than installing a fuse in the neg as this introduced a possible future fault point.
As we were doing most of the installations in vehicles used commercially (everything from Toyota size 4wd's to prime movers) it was better not to introduce a second fuse in the neg lead as both Codan and Barrett (suppliers of the majority of HF's in Oz) only show one in the manual as this is what the vehicle operators would refer to in case of problems.
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Follow Up By: Member - Serg (VIC) - Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 22:21

Thursday, Nov 06, 2008 at 22:21
Peter,

Well, perhaps from practical POV you have a point, but theory says that it is much better to have as least voltage drop as possible (mind you that radio usually used when engine is off), thus I have connect my negative radio cable directly to battery (via fuse) as advised by Barret technician over phone conversation.

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Reply By: blue one - Sunday, Nov 09, 2008 at 08:46

Sunday, Nov 09, 2008 at 08:46
Damo,
Earth everything, doors, body to chassis and the bonnet. It helps alot.

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