Simpson closed over summer

Heard that the Simpson Desert will be closed over summer.
From 30th Nov to 12 March or there abouts.
Reason is mainly for regeneration of the area and supposedly for safety reasons due to the extreme heat in the desert over summer.
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Friday, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:08

Friday, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:08
Regeneration during the heat of summer ?
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Follow Up By: Krakka - Friday, Nov 07, 2008 at 12:54

Friday, Nov 07, 2008 at 12:54
Probably to avoid De - Generation of the dune tracks.
Krakka
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Reply By: Time - Friday, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:08

Friday, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:08
This is what SA Parks web site says

"Simpson Desert Regional Reserve and the whole of the Simpson Desert Conservation Park

Edward Gregory Leaman, Director of National Parks and Wildlife, has authorised the closure to the public the whole of the Simpson Desert Regional Reserve and the whole of the Simpson Desert Conservation Park from:

6 pm on Sunday, 30 November 2008 until 6 pm on Sunday, 15 March 2009

The purpose of the closure is in the interest of public safety as a result of the anticipated high daytime temperatures likely to be experienced in the reserves during the closure period.

Contact Ranger for this closure is Tony Magor, District Ranger - Desert Parks, Outback Region Ph: (61 8) 8648 5344"
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:56

Friday, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:56
Its been well discussed on this forum already. I remember the retrieval of unprepared tourists and their vehicles in the extreme heat and soft sand was a major issue.

Are you planning a trip this summer??
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Follow Up By: Member - AZOORC (SA) - Friday, Nov 07, 2008 at 11:51

Friday, Nov 07, 2008 at 11:51
No travelling the Simpson in summers not for me I 'll leave that for others to experience.
I did a Madigan trip in August this year and the weather was spot on.
Traveled with Jeff M.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 21:24

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 21:24
Gday Paul, I didn't recognise your new signature!

I haven't seen Jeff since you've got back, but have been on email. Sounds like the Madigan Trip went well. Did you take the trailer? Would have been a good test for the hitch!

We've done a couple of trips in summer - spent a week at Innamincka after Xmas one year - our time was either spent in the water or down at the pub - most days were over 40 degrees, hottest was 48. No tourists around - just locals, which was good. But theres no water and no pub out in the Simpson, so I'd give it a miss too.

Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 22:36

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 22:36
Just found the old thread No 60478 - it was in August when you were out there!

I'll just reprint what Ruth wrote:

Member - Ruth D (QLD) replied:
Andrew, I thought long and hard before I entered into this reply, not sure that I want to cop the flack which will no doubt be fired my way. Whilst I totally agree with the fact that we seem to be having enormous numbers of rules and regulations in every part of our lives - in this respect I am in total agreement.
There was a trial closure last year - you may not have been aware of it but we certainly were here in Birdsville. You must remember that whilst there are those of us who are experienced desert travellers no matter what time of the year you must think about those who have no experience. Please remember that our summer time is winter time in Europe - and that in Europe those people who don't have children are encouraged to have their holidays in their wintertime, our summertime which means that a lot of Europeans hire Britz/Maui fourbies and head out - air conditioner going full bore, etc. Unfortunately, it's not just Europeans - plenty of Australians as well.
What happens if there is a breakdown/accident/illness out in the desert - breakdown only means vehicle and trailer plus two people. Accident means breakdown car/trailer and two people, one vehicle with Police, ambulance with driver and Sister from Clinic plus maybe others (that's a minimum of 5 people).
It comes down to whether people at this end of the desert, as well as the Mt Dare end of the desert need to put their lives at risk to assist someone in trouble who really should not be out there. As well, it also means Rangers/Police frequently have to go from both sides to a middle meet on search.
I'm sorry to have to mention the above but it happens - and whislt there is probably not a person in this town who would not agree to go on a rescue - why should they have to, also remembering that from third week of December until the end of January the Shire is in shutdown as are the properties and the town is very short on people because they are away on annual holidays.
I absolutely love the Simpson Desert, but I'm one of the ambulance drivers and I am not happy having to take it over the dunes but if there has been an accident the RFDS can't get out into the SD so the Birdsville Clinic staff and the ambulance have to go out, stabilise, bring back to town so the RFDS can come and get the patient/s. Sorry to sound as though I'm delivering a lecture - but it's just being practical really.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 22:43

Saturday, Nov 08, 2008 at 22:43
You can't argue with the reply from Ruth. She speaks plain commonsense.

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Reply By: Luke2 - Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 09:57

Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 09:57
The issue as I see it is that Parks SA wants to keep poorly equipped and prepared people out of the Simpson in summer. I agree completely with that sentiment – however - I don’t believe a total closure is the best way to achieve that aim.
I've been in the Simpson in summer and also in the north of SA and some other areas. Yes it can be very hot. I do volunteer work in search and rescue where I live and while I agree with the sentiments of Ruth from Birdsville I’m a little wary of using the argument that rescuers are “putting their lives at risk” by retrieving someone in the Simpson. The professional people on both sides of the Simpson are very well equipped, experienced and are very capable. If these people were asked to mount a rescue / evac in summer I’m confident it would be run safely and without further risk to life. I’ve spoken with some of the potential Simpson Desert rescuers on this topic and the answers invariably matched the way we feel about going into remote areas near where I live to search for people when conditions aren’t ideal – we take extra precautions and we make sure our teams are well trained and experienced. But we would never say we can’t go because it’s too hot or cold or uncomfortable etc. That’s why we are involved in S&R and I’m sure that the locals around the Simpson would feel the same way. They might curse the stupidity of poorly prepared travelers in the same way we curse the stupidity of a small number of bushwalkers in our local area. But these people still need to be looked after.
And lets put the issue of the heat and remoteness into perspective – there are many places on earth where people work and live in similar climatic conditions. Sure, a poorly prepared visitor can easily get into trouble but the idea that a rescuer is venturing into the death zone to drag someone out is overstating things a bit.
The real issue is – what’s the best way to prevent poorly equipped people venturing into the desert in summer (or at anytime for that matter). Off the top of my head here are a few options that Parks SA could use:

1. perhaps have a rule that says no solo vehicles in summer?
2. maybe you need to be a member of a 4WD club?
3. you need to carry a few items of mandatory equipment (sat-phone, recovery gear etc)
4. maybe a special permit can be set up so competent people can still apply and have access if they can prove to be well equipped and experienced enough?

These options may or may not all be practical but I’m sure that with consultation with 4WD groups and local people a sensible package could be worked out that helps to keep the wrong people out of the desert in summer.

And it would give the small number of people who do go to the Simpson in summer the chance to do so.

I loved my time in the Simpson in summer a few years ago – it was in the high 40s (it had been over 50 when we stayed a few days around Innamincka), there wasn’t a soul around and the beauty and emptiness of the landscape was breathtaking. It’s hard to find places that are truly remote these days – I’d like to think we can keep the incompetents out while still allowing suitably experienced people to enjoy the place.
Lucas

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Follow Up By: The Landy - Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:56

Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:56
One problem for the authorities is that unless you actually close it you won’t prevent the ill prepared from venturing that way. Put a sign up that says closed and most will abide by that.

The other problem for authorities is that once having decided to close it, how do they determine the exceptions? They would open themselves up to criticism and possibly litigation if they let select groups through and something went wrong.

Not endorsing the decision, but either way it looks like they are in for criticism.
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Follow Up By: Luke2 - Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 13:07

Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 13:07
yeah that's true. a full closure is the easiest and most practical option (from the land manager's perspective) and I guess that's why they've done it that way in this case. but some sort of permit system could achieve both objectives - keep the dangerous ones out but still let the experienced people in.
I don't think the principle of closing it to some but issuing permits to others necessarily exposes the manager to a higher risk of criticism/litigation as there's examples of this happening around Australia. but as you point out it's more work and if the land manager doesn't perceive a need then why bother to run a permit system?
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 13:58

Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 13:58
I hear what you say, but the problem with this is against what criteria will they issue permits? How do they assess who is experienced to undertake this particular journey at that time of the year?

It is a can of worms.....no wonder it went the way of the too hard basket.
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