Simpson Desert closed

Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 15:46
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Just seen on the news wires (I work on a newspaper) that the Simpson Desert will be closed from December 1 to March 15 because expected high temperatures are viewed as a danger to travellers. Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 15:49

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 15:49
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Reply By: Member - Alan H (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 15:49

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 15:49
At least the reason is a lot more plausible than the weak excuses dished up sometimes for shutting Ayers Rock.

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 16:42

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 16:42
Haven't people died climbing Ayers Rock?
If you look just around the corner from the chain, you will see the plaques.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 19:31

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 19:31
people die every day on the roads too shaker and they dont close them
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 19:35

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 19:35
Hi Shaker
I do not think that it is fair to compare the closure of the Simpson Desert during the hottest months of the year, with the deaths of people that have died on the rock.

Why should the Police and Medical staff put their lives at risk because some mad person wishes the cross the desert during the summer. Fair being fair, why would any person in their right mind want to cross it with temperatures well into the 50 C's, sand as fine as powder and that hot, you could not get any comfort in times of rouble. The Simpson is a great place in the cooler winter months, but will take no prisoners in time of trouble during the summer.

These are my thoughts.

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Follow Up By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:09

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:09
Ayer's Rock was once closed on my instruction! No kidding ! Just as I finished my climb down from the top one morning, a ranger asked me if the wind was strong up there - "very strong" I replied....."damn near tore my sunglasses off my face"....."right" he said and turns to a group of tourists...."sorry folks - its closed - wind is too high !". No bull - that's how technical it is :-o)
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Reply By: fwdfun - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 19:27

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 19:27
Will other places get closed due to high temps, such as Birdsville? What legislation confers the power for such a closure, and is it in response to rescue incidents? I pity the international tourists who will miss out on a living on the edge experience in Australia during the northern hemisphere winter, they will have to watch tv instead - how boring. We are over-regulated.
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Follow Up By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 19:56

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 19:56
Rightyo fwdfun, go to Birdsville next month. I bet all you will do is hold the bar up !!!!! Have you ever been to the Simpson in summer ?
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Follow Up By: fwdfun - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 22:30

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 22:30
If the reason for the closure is to protect the rescuers, then it should be limited to only that aspect - ie no rescues to be carried out over summer. That way anyone who chooses to do such a demanding treck can still do so. Dont regulate to the lowest common denominator who isnt prepared.

I support 'track access for all'. Many Victorian tracks are closed during winter, supposedly to protect them from damage. Funny how the tracks continue to be closed, yet over the last few years (climate change?) has significantly reduced the rainfall.

And for the record I grew up on a sheep station in far western nsw and am very familiar with endless days of 40+ degree heat over summer. As for Birdsville, whilst the motel behind the pub is a great destination after a west to east crossing, a pie at the bakery is much more my style.
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Follow Up By: Jayk At - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 23:27

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 23:27
I suspect that The Bakery has closed by now and it will stay that way until the end of Summer at least.
Why? ... Why not?

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Reply By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 19:49

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 19:49
I agree with closing it over the summer season. I wouldnt want to be the ranger, police and recovery vehicles out there helping some two year old idiot that was advised not to go then. Move on we cant go to the snow in Dec and no one winges.
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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 19:57

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 19:57
Tis 1 thing to close it ,tis another thing to ENFORCE a closure of what is after all public land ,,how pray tell would / could anyone enforce the closure , What ??? your going to put a fence around the Simpson ????
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Reply By: Holden4th - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 19:56

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 19:56
Closing the Simpson at this time of year makes sense because there are a small number of idiots (or ill informed overseas visitors who don't know better) who want to do the desert at this time. As someone has already mentioned it's for masochists or big noters.

I've done the Simpson and the thought of trundling along at less than 20 kph in 40 - 50 temperatures with a standard radiator and expecting the engine to stay cool is expecting rather a lot - especially after you crest dune after dune at high revs in the softest sand you'll find all year. Whats the fun in that? And as someone else mentioned, if you do get stuck and do manage to call for help then your rescuers are also putting themselves at risk.

The liberals will say this is prohibitive legislation and that it's 'your choice' but let's face it, some people just have to be saved from themselves.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 20:42

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 20:42
The response from Ruth at Birdsville is on the first Exploroz thread about this closure: Thread No 60478 from August.

Its worth copying here:

Member - Ruth D (QLD) replied:
Andrew, I thought long and hard before I entered into this reply, not sure that I want to cop the flack which will no doubt be fired my way. Whilst I totally agree with the fact that we seem to be having enormous numbers of rules and regulations in every part of our lives - in this respect I am in total agreement.
There was a trial closure last year - you may not have been aware of it but we certainly were here in Birdsville. You must remember that whilst there are those of us who are experienced desert travellers no matter what time of the year you must think about those who have no experience. Please remember that our summer time is winter time in Europe - and that in Europe those people who don't have children are encouraged to have their holidays in their wintertime, our summertime which means that a lot of Europeans hire Britz/Maui fourbies and head out - air conditioner going full bore, etc. Unfortunately, it's not just Europeans - plenty of Australians as well.
What happens if there is a breakdown/accident/illness out in the desert - breakdown only means vehicle and trailer plus two people. Accident means breakdown car/trailer and two people, one vehicle with Police, ambulance with driver and Sister from Clinic plus maybe others (that's a minimum of 5 people).
It comes down to whether people at this end of the desert, as well as the Mt Dare end of the desert need to put their lives at risk to assist someone in trouble who really should not be out there. As well, it also means Rangers/Police frequently have to go from both sides to a middle meet on search.
I'm sorry to have to mention the above but it happens - and whislt there is probably not a person in this town who would not agree to go on a rescue - why should they have to, also remembering that from third week of December until the end of January the Shire is in shutdown as are the properties and the town is very short on people because they are away on annual holidays.
I absolutely love the Simpson Desert, but I'm one of the ambulance drivers and I am not happy having to take it over the dunes but if there has been an accident the RFDS can't get out into the SD so the Birdsville Clinic staff and the ambulance have to go out, stabilise, bring back to town so the RFDS can come and get the patient/s. Sorry to sound as though I'm delivering a lecture - but it's just being practical really.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 20:59

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 20:59
Also from same thread Phil

I am always saddened by those Nanny state suggestions that are invariably narrowly focussed and while often they have a bearing on the direct issue, generally make matters worse overall.

In this case, injuries and accidents relating to Dessert travel come
overwhelmingly from travel to and from the areas on wet slippery roads or result from tyre damage or rough roads leading to vehicle accidents, or simply accidents at higher speeds.
Our latest trip a few weeks ago followed the pattern e.g. rollovers at Marree from damaged tyres etc.

The actual accidents and injuries in the dessert are simply lower in number and of a less severe nature because of the lower speeds involved, and I welcome any enquiry whose net is cast wide and not focussed or what happens once you leave the town limits in a westerly direction.

However my real concern over such proposals is what it does to the sense of adventure and human spirit by having rules and regulations over such free places.

Education and not Regulation - is the harder , but only real path to changing behaviour.

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Follow Up By: Member - Linda M (VIC) - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:03

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:03
The comment about Euopean travellers is very true. I came across a couple last year at Peron dunes in Tassie who's hired landcruiser was up to the rear axle in sand. They had tried to dig sand out and used thier sleeping mats to try to get traction-the tyres just chewed through the mats. They waited (not that they had to wait long) for help to arrive. I very quickly realised they hadn't locked the hubs. I locked the hubs and they drove straight out. In another place, like the Simpson in summer, they would have had a very bad day indeed. As much as I resent the increasing regulation of everything, this is probably a sensible move.
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Reply By: Member - Bob W (VIC) - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 20:50

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 20:50
Here here, I totally agree with the closure at that time of the year.
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Reply By: CJ - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 20:55

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 20:55
I also agree to beach closures when the lifesavers deem it to be too high risk for people to swim...
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Reply By: equinox - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:04

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:04
For what it's worth my vote goes to the disagree side (having read all the threads on the subject).

I'm am quite surprised actually that you eastern staters who disagree let the government get away with it. What a violation of personal choice!! This is a matter of principle. Fair enough, it's your desert, not mine, though thanks for letting me cross it once :))

God help the government if they tried something like that over here in Western Australia.

My opinion only.

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Follow Up By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:30

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:30
Simpson is easier to get to easier to regulate. Most properties out there take annual leave and have skeleton staff less people to help. I recond we should be worrying more about the inland road from inskip on Fraser.
Gee I cant wait to get to WA its happening next year lucky next year is less than two months away.
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Reply By: Member - Warfer (VIC) - Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 18:13

Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 18:13
Yep i think the Cotton-Wool Coalition Party is alive and well !


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