Landcruiser Not Charging

Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 17:51
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Hi all
Would anyone have advise how to rectify the following.

On my V8 petrol Landcruiser the battery is not charging. The three relevant fuses have been checked all ok.
There is no power feed into the alternator. Is there relay for this charging system ?
The voltage regulator is built into the altenator

The car has a pirhana duel battery system but the mechanic said that would have no problem that effects the charging system.

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Reply By: Lex M - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 18:01

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 18:01
Is the Charge (Battery) light on. If not check the charge light bulb.
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Follow Up By: normglenda - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 18:07

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 18:07
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It is not on. Does that mean if the bulb is out the alternator will not charge?
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Follow Up By: Lex M - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 18:13

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 18:13
On many alternator circuits the reference voltage is derived from the charge light circuit. Bulb blows, alternator does not charge.
Always a good place to start.

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Follow Up By: Lex M - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 18:31

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 18:31
Should have said "if the bulb blows or the circuit to the bulb is broken in any way."
The circuit is from ignition voltage from ignition switch through bulb to alternator"
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 19:45

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 19:45
Lex M
Are you sure you know that , first time I've heard that one, Bulb is on a seperate circuit, On mine the connection is directly from the Alternator to the battery via the fusible link, I would be checking brushes if it's done a bit of work,

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Follow Up By: Member - Daniel M (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 20:08

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 20:08
Lex

I had same sort of problem with my old Pajero. Even with a new battery i had no charge light, or so i thought. When i checked it in the dark one night i could just see a very faint glow. Turned out to be the brushes in alternator. No problems after that.
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:25

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:25
Doug,
Lex is correct, in some alternator circuits a removed or blown globe opens the excitation circuit and the alternator ceases charging.

Case in point was a mate of mine put a Chevy V8 in his ski boat and couldn't work out why his batteries where always flat.

He asked me to have a look at it. I started with the manual from the original vehicle the alternator came from.

Sure enough if you read the diagram, no charge lamp, no charge.

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Follow Up By: Lex M - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:34

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:34
I assumed that the battery is not charging meant that the alternator wasn't outputting the necessary voltage to charge.

Question probably should have been "Does the charge light come on when you turn the ignition on before starting the vehicle?"

Obviously if it does look elsewhere.

In the good old pre electronic days, I'd look at the charge light, then look at the brushes. These days the alternator output may be controlled by the ECU (engine control unit). If you don't have the service information for the particular vehicle then your guess is as good as mine as to what the problem is.

Probably should have asked what was meant by "There is no power feed into the alternator." in the original question also.

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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 20:24

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 20:24
From the little info you've given, it could be anything.
Chances are it will something simple - battery has died or the alternator brushes or regulator are no good.

Get the digital multimeter out.
Measure the starting battery voltage at rest - should be 12.6 to 12.8V.
Start the vehicle, let it run for a few minutes, and then measure the voltage at the battery. Should be between 13.8V and 14.3V.

Also, how old/km is the vehicle?
How old is the battery?

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Phil
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Reply By: autosparky - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 20:57

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 20:57
if this is 100 series the fusible link is part of the battery terminal configuration on the main battery. there has to be a battery feed to the poitive post on the alternator . continued use wthout this feed will cause the alternator to charge open circuit , open circuit voltages can reach in excess of 50v dc , this will fry electronics!!!
the wire colour to the alternator at the battery is white.
also check thatthe terminal on the battery post is not burnt in appearance thus losing power thru corrosion .
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Reply By: qubert - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:44

Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:44
the alternator indicator bulb is the 'exciter' for the charging system
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Follow Up By: normglenda - Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 13:43

Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 13:43
Hi All
Thank you for the advice so far.

The indicator light which is an LED is not working. However, I have pulled the instrument panel out and the LED light appears to be soldered to the circuit board?

I had a workshop pull the alternator of and he said it appears ok. He has now referred me to an auto electrician another town. (One weeks wait as we live in the country).

I spoke with Toyota and they said they would try a changeover alternator as they reckon it probably is a regulator fault in the alternator.

The car has done 102,000 KMS.

Any other comment would be appreciated as I will continue to trace the fault due to the delay here in getting jobs done.

Regards
Norm
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 13:57

Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 13:57
Norm
Will the car start? Do u have any dash lights??
If it wont start, check the fuseable links on the possitive of the battery, they are in the black box thing on the battery terminal wire...that is there to fuse if the alt goes into no regulation mode and tries to charge 35 volts....
If you loose the bulb, you loose sensing voltage to the alt....i would be sus of any added extra like the pirahna...if u can disconnect it and return the system to std just to fault find, this may be another step u can take b4 getting the red foldy stuff out.
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 14:03

Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 14:03
If you have no power to white thick wire out the bum of the alt, there is a break in there somewhere....it is not switched but live all the time...i wouldnt be buying an alt from Toyota, untill you can get power there...its one issue you have that i can see from your original post. If the 3 fuses you mention are the fuseable links, you could...could...run a seperate wire from battery poitive to alt fat wire, and see if she charges then...
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Reply By: normglenda - Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 22:38

Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 22:38
Hi all
The problem was only the FR-IG fuse number 13 in the fuse box under the bonnet.The mechanic replaced the fuse but put it back in a "spare" fuse slot, hence him pulling the alternator out to check it.

As mentioned in an earlier post the LED in the dash needs to be soldered if replaced. I found the fuse after systimatically going through all the fuses. I also missed it was in the wrong fuse slot earlier on.

For info, Toyota advised if the LED is blown it will not effect the charging. T

he only bulb in the dash is the 4x4 lock indicator , all others are LeD.

Thanks all for your advice.
Regards
Norm

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Reply By: normglenda - Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 22:44

Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 22:44
Just a bit more info. When the fuse was put in the correct slot the charging warning light operated when ignition was on. As autosparky said along the the line this FR IG fuse is effectively the "bulb" circuit. Toyota said never had one yet with a blown LED
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