Oil is us$55 a barrel

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Oil is us$55 a barrel and diesel in brisbane is still $1.39 a litre in parts of brisbane . Ripoff .
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Reply By: dj Patrol - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 13:13

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 13:13
Lucky Boy,
Its still at $1.49 liter on Mid North Coast NSW
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Follow Up By: Cruiser .- Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 15:25

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 15:25
dj Patro

Where abouts, because the cheapest in Port Macquarie is 155.9 and most are around the 159.9, but hen again Port Macquarie is consistently higher than anywhere else on the Mid North Coast of NSW.

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Follow Up By: Member - Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 16:13

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 16:13
Cruiser,
I believe we're going to loose our state subsidy of 8 cents a liter. Does that effect you guys in Port or is it only as far south as Coffs?

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Follow Up By: Cruiser .- Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 16:19

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 16:19
Hairs,

From what I can understand, the subsidy only applies to fuel supplied to the area from Coffs Harbour to the Qld border.

Our fuel here comes from Newcastle and as such is always dearer than up your way.

We visit our daughter in Brisvegas about 3 times a year and am going to miss the cheap(er) fuel. Wonder if she can get us a card when the new system comes in.

Cheers,

Cruiser .
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Follow Up By: Member - Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 18:49

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 18:49
Why is it that QLD can have a subsidy and NSW can't?
Why does NSW Subsidies the rest of the states?

Hmm Grr


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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 23:08

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 23:08
Jon,

You can thank Bob Carr for that.

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Follow Up By: Steve - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 13:35

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 13:35
....and a lot more, eh Al?


;))
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 07:19

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 07:19
Steve,

Yes. The current state of the NSW economy and infrastructure for starters.

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Follow Up By: Steve - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 13:16

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 13:16
I almost feel sorry for poor old Nathan and the mess he's been handed but then again, he did actually contribute to some of it and he gets pretty well rewarded for his pains.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 17:48

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 17:48
Steve,

Never, ever feel sorry for any of them. They're all out for numero uno and forget the rest of us.

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Follow Up By: Member - Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 18:48

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 18:48
I'm with Gramps, Steve.
Never feel sorry for them, they go into politics with their eyes wide open.
Your right about Carr, Gramps. he is the mastermind behind a lot of decisions that have not yet come to light. His time in government will be felt for many Generations.
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Follow Up By: Steve - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 20:25

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 20:25
woah - I did say "almost" - but I sure won't be losing sleep worrying for him - I've enough probs trying to keep my business going with a family to fend for.

100% agree Carr was the culprit who got out before the $h!t hit the fan and then they stuck that pathetic puppet Maurice Dilemma in to cop the flak.

I see Jeff Kennett's popped his head up to offer his services for NSW - we'll be getting Red Adair next.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 20:30

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 20:30
Steve,

LOL I think it's well beyond even Red's capabilities now :)))

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Follow Up By: Steve - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 21:26

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 21:26
could be our best bet y'know ;-))
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Reply By: Member - Lionel A (WA) - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 13:13

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 13:13
Yep and gold is down to $730 odd an oz.

Im hoping there will be a glut of second hand Minelabs on the market shortly......LOL.

Cheers......Lionel.
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Reply By: equinox - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 13:22

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 13:22
I paid $1.52 in Perth on Saturday - didn't mind a bit. (about the same price I paid in Kings Canyon 3 years ago)

We live in a capitalist society. If there is room for a profit, start up your own oil company. You are allowed to.

Good luck.


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Reply By: Member - Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 13:23

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 13:23
Do you reckon the likes of Caltex are making 1.5cents a litre now?
I doubt it.
I saw Mr Evans from the NRMA on Friday telling Today host Carl the ULP should be about 8 cents lower than what it is now.
What drugs is this bloke on? Where the Fuel Commissioner?.

Hey Troopyman, we're not just being Ripped Off, We're being had, Screwed and taken for fools.
And do you know what? there's not a thing we can do about.
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 14:55

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 14:55
Where the Fuel Commissioner?

He's doing exactly what he was told to do, watch the price of fuel.

Nobody actually gave him the power to do anything.

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Follow Up By: Member - Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 16:19

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 16:19
Hey Geoff,
Another Toothless Tiger.
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 17:29

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 17:29
That be the one!

Here he is with his personal assistant!



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Reply By: Member - Stephen L (SA) - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 13:23

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 13:23
Hi
No price drop here in Clare SA for some time an it is still $1.489 per litre for Diesel

If you can get diesel for that price in Queensland, you are doing well. I would love it to be that price here in SA.

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Reply By: feral - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 13:38

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 13:38
Just waiting for the Oil Industry Apologists to start spinning the latest excuses....Its US dollars....demand in China......transport costs up....limited refinery capabilities...

The reality is the world has tanked and oil has become a glut. Internationally oil producers are reducing production so they can keep the price high.

On the local front, the Australian market has conditioned us to paying higher prices and its market forces which are yet to be invoked is needed to get a lower price.

We need to hammer this point with ACCC and governments.

But as if they care.

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Follow Up By: Member - Brenton W (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 00:27

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 00:27
Exactly i cant understand the $ difference in ptrol to diesel we were in New Zealand 2 months ago and diesel is 40 c a ltr cheaper than petrol. it seams to be cheaper every where in the worl except th great land of Aus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 06:16

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 06:16
New Zealanders pay a separate road tax for diesel, when taken into account it isn't cheaper.
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Reply By: chisel - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 13:59

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 13:59
Petrol was $1.07 in parts of Brisbane yesterday. Long time since it was this cheap.
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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 15:36

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 15:36
$1.07 and you / we now call that cheap ?? was not all that long ago that we were all crying blue murder because unleaded had hit .60c per lt , then the outcry was deafening when it hit a $1+ ,, all the excuses from producers and suppliers will never justify the price fluctuations that fuel suffers from ,, We ALL are being led up the Bovine do do path when we now call fuel 'Cheap"
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Reply By: pepper2 - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 14:00

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 14:00
Is it true that when oil was around $70 / barrel and ausi $ was around 70cents we were paying approx $1.00 per litre previously ?????
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 17:42

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 17:42
Yes
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Reply By: Member - Warfer (VIC) - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 14:35

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 14:35
Hiya Guys

Jim Best put a thread recently about how now fuel is being reduced no-one is saying anything about it...I thought back then that the reason being it doesn't matter because people feel they are being ripped off no matter what...

There not far wrong..

I ordered a part (zebra barcode/receipt printer) Its on back order,into its second month actually, the guy said (computer store) now the Aussie dollar dropped so much they are hanging on to stock tey already had so they can profit the difference !Will you get anyone suppliers to admit it,of course not.


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Reply By: Member - Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 16:07

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 16:07
Axel,
'all the excuses from producers and suppliers'
What about from Motoring groups and the Government as well?

What gets under my skin Axel,is they really think we believe their excuses and Spin.
Some spin doctor will come up with a reason for it and convince themselves that we will believe them.
It reminds me of 'Yes Minister'
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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 17:10

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 17:10
Thats the whole point , we are all now conditioned to believe that fuel is "cheap" at $1+ per ltr and that something that actualy has /can have a constant output and demand needs to be manipulated pricewise on a daily basis , just imagine if other staples were allowed to fluctuate in price to the extent that fuel does ,, take millk , the producer gets x cents per lt day in day out , the middle man the same constant , the retailer the same constant mark up , not a problem , fuel price is NOTHING but blatant profit manipulation by the producer , nowhere and no other commoditty can /does have a raw price movement like fuel , it realy gets under my skin as well ,,, bring back regulation and take the bovine do do that the spin people give us and put it back in the paddock where it belongs.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 17:25

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 17:25
Axel

The reality is that fuel products and oil fluctuate on a daily basis with prices determined by market forces. In fact I think you will find that most producers and refiners would be far happier to see fuel cheaper than it is, because at current prices demand is falling, especially for ULP.

A couple of questions though....

What do you mean by regulation and who will pay for it?

Secondly, what price should it be, and how is the answer arrived at?

The pricing methodology for fuel is transparent and published widely, that is the reason why the ACCC or successive governments are doing nothing about it...the reality is that is the price that the market has determined for it.

Mind you I am no apologist for fuel companies, quite the opposite in fact, by lets deal in facts....if we get the arguments wrong, the solution that follows will also be wrong, and we almost got lumbered with FuelWatch - and that would have been a disaster for those that want cheaper fuel.

Cheers....

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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 18:00

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 18:00
Landy ,as you state the pricing methology is transparent and published widely ,, problem is that it is a WRONG + UNFAIR system ,, please explain how a fuel tanker can deliver a load of fuel to a retailer and that same fuel can then be onsold at a price variation from one day /hr to the next ,,, supply and demand ?? bovine do do !!!! every other commoditty for sale has a supply and demand priceline but fuel is the only item that has a mega daily /hourly fluctuation ,, oil companies are dictating on an hourly /daily basis the price the retailer HAS to sell his fuel for even though the retailer already OWNS the fuel in his storage tanks ,, and we continue to wonder why the worlds economy is going down the toilet , ,,, Regulation is the key.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 19:32

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 19:32
The price difference is not just in Aus.

I was watching a U.S business program the other night and they had petrol in the U.S at something like $2.20 a gallon and diesel around $3.00 a gallon.
They commented at the world wide market demand for diesel as opposed to petrol keeping diesel high.

Diesel is influenced by world wide demand in a far different way than petrol.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 21:12

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 21:12
I’d still be interested to hear your thoughts on the questions I posed.

To answer your question though; it lies in the marketing discounts that are given and removed. That is the reason we get day to day fluctuations other than the price inputs such as currency, oil price etc.

Now without price support services station retailers would run the risk of going out of business. Imagine you are a fuel retailer, just taken delivery o a tanker full of fuel and you set the price. One day later the wholesale price has dropped and your competitor next door was fortunate enough to get his delivery today at a cheaper price and sells it for that cheaper price.

The poor bloke next door either matches his competitor’s price and makes a loss selling his fuel, or keeps his price the same and sells no fuel. Remembering if this site is any gauge people are not going to pay any more than they need to.

Therefore the retailer can ask the fuel company for price support and will most likely get it. At other times fuel companies may simply offer price support to move excess fuel etc.

There is nothing new in this and it has been well covered previously.

My main beef with posts like this one is that they offer little factually evidence to support the arguments. If the price is too high, what should it be and how was it arrived at?

Whether it should be 5 cents higher or lower on any given day is probably beyond the scope of this forum to monitor, however looking at the long term pricing it does not support the arguments offered here.

I’ll suggest to you that if the refiners could sell up (to someone) they’d be out of here in a flash because there is little money in refining fuel.

We need our refiners to make money, if they don’t they’ll close up shop. Should that ever happen security of supply will be the main discussion, not price.

And no, I’m not an apologist for oil companies or refiners, but I’ll defend the facts as I understand them.

One last comment…before we ask for more government regulation remember this – more government regulation will mean a higher cost for all, because you get nothing for nothing. FuelWatch would have been a disaster and would have played into the hands of the oil companies, refiners ad major retailers like Coles and Woolworth’s.

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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 08:46

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 08:46
Landy , ,, Yes regulation costs ,but nowhere near as much as the blatant proffiteering by oil companies costs us now ,,, The facts are that fuel cost effects every other aspect of modern day life , tell me and everybody else HOW and WHY a barrel of oil can be $55 one day and $155 the next , the cry of supply and demand is bovine do do , northern winter extra demand ? more bovine do do as less used in the south at that time and vice versa ,, the demand for oil on a global scale is a relative constant , it is greed and excess profit that has driven oil price ,,, tell me how a lt of fuel can cost $1+ in Aust yet the exact same lt of fuel costs .03c in Saudi . Excise - GST- ect does still not justify such a variable. Only greed and acceptanceof the bovine do do spin allows the prce fluctuation.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 09:44

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 09:44
Axel, I'm happy to deal in facts and debate those points, however the assertion that oil companies are blatantly profiteering is usually made with little factual evidence. It is a popular catch-cry and easy to roll off the end of the tongue as we search for someone to vent our angst at high fuel prices. But there are rarely any facts advanced to support these arguments.

Do you have any facts, or is it simply an opinion?

A couple of points to your post – I don’t believe that oil demand is a relative constant. Long-term demand is expected to increase and there are concerns that over time there will be a substantial imbalance between supply and demand. Why does oil go from US50 to US$ 150 per barrel; speculation drove it for the most part. And as is often the case with speculative bubbles it wasn’t able to sustain the price and it has subsequently fallen. Should we regulate against this, some will argue we should and maybe there is a case to be made for it. But once down the slippery slope of this type of regulation where do you stop?

Mind you the notion that oil companies are behind these type of moves in incorrect. The last thing oil companies want is the price going to a point where demand drops substantially. This is certainly the case in recent times with ULP, not necessarily so with diesel. I’ve recently written a blog (Is ULP too cheap?) and I’ll leave you to read it rather than going into it further here. It deals, in part, with some of those issues, particularly why diesel is more expensive.

Why is the Saudi price so cheap? They subsidise everything including fuel, but try living there if you aren’t a native to that country! Malaysia used to subsidise fuel along with many other Asian countries. Recently Malaysia removed the subsidy as it was costing them more than AU$20 billion per annum. Regulation comes at a cost and one way or another the general population pays for it!

I’ll say it again, the main issue with not getting the arguments right is that eventually it leads to inappropriate policy responses from governments as they move to quell voter disquiet. You need look no further than FuelWatch for evidence of this.

Perhaps MM/email me if you want to discuss further.

Cheers


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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:14

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:14
Landy , how many shares do have in the oil cartels ???? You still dont explain why or how it is necessary to have such price fluctuations , if the product was milk / bread ect ect would we stand for it , course not ,yet we allow the one product that we all rely on to be manipulated to the detriment of 99.9% of the worlds population , nough said ,
you do not seem to get the gist of the disscussion , oil not a relative constant ?? the one product that is a requirement in every single facet of life in the last 100+yrs is price manipulated for the benifit of very few.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:39

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:39
None.

I did explain, but I'm not responsible for it.

I understand the issues fully, I make a living out of doing so.

Where going no-where with this.........I'll leave it a that.
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Reply By: Bagwon - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 17:09

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 17:09
Troopyman,they say its because our dollar has devalued.Paying $1.44 for diesel in Perth. Better than the $3.20 i paid in July at Kuriawarritji.At least my house has risen by 105%.

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Follow Up By: cheetah - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 17:58

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 17:58
Ah, yes. 105% rise. As you can see, it is not only fuel that is overpriced. I wonder now, if you could sell it.
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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 18:10

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 18:10
And I wonder the same , had the valuer round this morning to suss out the price we would / should expect if we rent out our abode , ,,,, """"should have put it into the rental pool and gotten a lease signed 3mths ago , would have gotten $150 per wk more than if putting it up for lease now,""""""
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Follow Up By: Bagwon - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 16:35

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 16:35
Cheetah, It would sell very well.WA is still a strong economy.

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Follow Up By: Bagwon - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 16:38

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 16:38
Axel,what state you in,huge shortage of rentals in West Aust.

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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 19:01

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 19:01
Bagwon , in sth east Qld the "bubble "is bursting ,, still a high demand but nowhere as it was ,, a house that if put on the market 4/6 mths ago for $400k and sell in a week now will sit without an offer over $320k ,,,cashed up buyers market has arrived.
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Reply By: Skippy In The GU - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 18:24

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 18:24
I can't understand why Unleaded is $1.09 a Litre and Diesel is $1.49 a Litre in Adelaide. thats 40 cents by my calculations , I'm sure it doesn't cost 40 cents more per litre to produce Diesel i thought it was cheaper
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Follow Up By: Member - Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 18:45

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 18:45
I've been told it has something to do with the demand for it China/India.
I don't understand it either.
I guess I'll sit here in the dark and get feed Horse manure.
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Reply By: Member - desray (WA) - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 22:30

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 22:30
I would like to know WHEN LPG is coming down in price . The Saudi price for Lpg went down 38% 3 weeks ago gas should be around 40 cent a litre ????? big rip off.
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Follow Up By: Col_and_Jan - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 19:26

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 19:26
I agree Desray. Not much evidence of any decent price drop in Bundaberg. Maybe 10% off so far, still a long way off the 38%. Someone is making a nice little profit!
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Reply By: Muddy doe (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 00:01

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 00:01
Just filled up at $1.11 for unleaded in the wife's Corolla here in Adelaide.

I was not really looking at the price when I filled it (never do) but noticed when it stopped filling at $42 from a near empty tank. Lately it has been taking about $58 to $64 worth for a full tank.

What a difference!

I do agree with Skippy though that it would be nice to see the diesel prices mirroring the unleaded prices. The Prado is costing around $220 to $250 for a fill at the moment.

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Reply By: feral - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 08:39

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 08:39
OIL prices sank overnight amid worries about a deepening global financial crisis that is crimping demand, stoked by news that Japan has followed the eurozone into recession.

Light sweet crude for delivery in December closed at $US54.95 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX), down $US2.09 from Friday's closing level.

In London, Brent North Sea crude for January fell $US1.93 to settle at $US52.31 on the InterContinental Exchange.

"We've seen tremendous volatility during the day,'' said Andy Lipow, analyst at Lipow Oil Associates.

"It's all about demand.''

The oil market digested news that Japan's economy slipped into recession in the third quarter as companies slashed investment to weather the financial crisis.

Official data out yesterday showed that the Japanese economy contracted 0.1 per cent in the three months to September, shrinking for a second straight quarter and meeting the technical definition of a recession.

On Friday, the European Union said the 15-nation eurozone had entered recession for the first time since its creation in 1999.

In the United States, where demand is falling in the world's biggest energy consumer, ailing banking giant Citigroup said it would cut 50,000 jobs worldwide and slash spending as it struggles with the economic downturn.

"When I come in these days I wonder how many job layoffs are going to be announced,'' Mr Lipow said.

"Since these announcements are continuing that translates into lower demand in the future,'' he said. "That is the overwhelming concern.''

The Organisation of the Petroleum Exporting Countries on Monday slashed its demand growth forecasts, citing "world economic turmoil'' in its November monthly report.

OPEC now sees demand growth in 2008 of 0.33 per cent, revised down from 0.64 per cent forecast in October; the 2009 demand projection was reduced to 0.57 per cent from 0.87 per cent.

"Demand (for energy) looks poor because of severe contractions in economic activity worldwide,'' said Cameron Hanover analyst Peter Beutel.

OPEC said that "closer monitoring and more frequent intervention are required.''

The oil cartel is to hold an extraordinary meeting on November 29 in Cairo amid speculation that member nations will agree to cut output again in a bid to boost plunging oil prices.

OPEC agreed on October 24 to reduce production by 1.5 million barrels per day from November 1.

Oil prices have plunged almost two-thirds since striking record highs of above $US147 in July as a global economic slowdown dents world energy demand.

In Iran, OPEC's number-two oil producer, state television reported on Saturday that the country backs a new OPEC output cut of 1.0-1.5 million barrels a day.

According to Phil Flynn at Alaron Trading, prices are being hit by concerns about demand destruction in China, which he called "the biggest driver of oil demand growth this past decade.''

The country's largest oil producer, China National Petroleum Corp., said its inventories were surging amid the global economic downturn.

"So if China demand is slowing and Japan is in a recession, then where is the demand growth going to come from?'' said Mr Flynn.



No further confirmation is required........

We are being taken for a ride.

Cheers.
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Reply By: Holden4th - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 21:03

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 21:03
.. in 1997 OPEC was happy with $18 a barrel without cutting output.
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